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We will welcome these students in our Canadian universities.

by pl0x 6y ago

arcticbull 6y ago
Reminds me of the time the Canadian government used to advertise along the 101 [1] to tempt people with "H-1B problems" to "pivot to Canada." [1] https://mgalligan.com/post/52327738889/canada-h1b https://mgalligan.com/post/52327738889/canada-h1b
Teever 6y ago
Does Canada have the capacity for these extra students?
zelphirkalt 6y ago
From what I heard Canada is one of the countries, where it is difficult to immigrate. I heard, that you need to prove, that you are doing a job, which could not be done by a Canadian, who is seeking a job, for example. Is any of that true? How is it for students? Can they simply go to Canada without such requirements?
- jogjayr 6y ago
  Not at all. Canada is very welcoming to people and particularly values the following attributes: young, well-educated especially in hot disciplines such as software, fluent in English or French (bonus for both), Canada-educated, previously worked in Canada. The requirements are straightforward and the process is transparent. You can find out where you might stand right here: https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp Edit: That's a weird thing to be downvoted over.
  - splintercell 6y ago
    You're trying to portray these requirements as transparent and easy but they are incredibly hard to be met by most people yeah, especially compared to the requirements for American Immigration system. The only reason why America is hard to immigrate to is because far too many people in line ahead of you. You can immigrate to America without being educated, be able to speak English, to have ever worked anywhere. I know a Canadian girl who wanted her American boyfriend to move to Canada but it was incredibly hard because of Canadian immigration process requirements, so instead she moved to the US. The Canadian job requirement is essentially a prerequisite for anyone to be able to hire you in Canada because Canadians are very risk-averse (what other Canadians told me), there are stories and stories on quora about Indian immigrants getting 4-5 interviews in a day, the day they qualify for the tn1 Visa as opposed to essentially being unemployed during the time they were in Canada. All the things your listing are paper requirements, but they don't match the reality, as I'm experiencing with trying to get my own brother to Canada.
    - manuelabeledo 6y ago
      I don't know if you have had experiences with the US immigration system, but let me tell you, mine don't match what you said. I'm an EU citizen who came to the US five years ago. Not only I had to prove _several times_ that I have a bachelor's degree, but each time I had to apply, either for a visa, the renewal of such visa, or any other USCIS related process, I had to submit: 1. Updated documents about my marriage, my children, and my criminal, work, and financial records from my home country. These haven't changed in the past five years, yet I still have to provide them. 2. Several, lawyer-approved, questionnaires, both filled by myself and my company. 3. My company has to pay a hefty processing fee. Once I get to deposit the documents in person, I have to pay a non refundable "fraud prevention" fee of ~$500, on top of the $120 fee _per person_, just to hand my documents to the consulate official. This happens every two to three years. Nothing had to do with people "ahead" of me. Obviously, no chance to immigrate if you don't have a job lined up in the US already. Failure to fulfill any of these requirements would void the application, which takes ~4 months. Seasonal and agricultural workers _may_ be able to immigrate to the US for a few months, usually six to twelve. Other than that, unless you are a celebrity, or a Nobel prize recipient, or an Olympic athlete, or are willing to invest $500,000 to create who knows how many jobs in the US, I can't think of any other way to immigrate that is not job or study related. From what I understand, Canada does have a more transparent process, where the requirements are closer to "are you professionally qualified to work on these jobs?" and "would you be able to integrate?". The US system is designed mostly to filter out people who cannot afford it, and both the multiple processes, and volatile nature of the USCIS, derive in many qualified immigrants getting kicked out of the country just because something changes at the worst possible moment.
      - splintercell 6y ago
        I have been through multiple H1B applications, a Green Card application, and right now going through Naturalization process, on the other end, I am getting my brother through Canadian process. Regarding the points you made, all these things are applicable for Canadian process too (my brother is stuck trying to prove the documents and degree because of the lockdown), its' just that in American system there are far too many people ahead of you this is why it takes much longer. You're lucky that you have the skillset (and age) Canada values, otherwise it would be extremely difficult for you to migrate to Canada (whereas it isn't that much of a problem for US, unless you are in the unlucky line, i.e. China, India or Mexico).
  - Fjolsvith 6y ago
    The young attribute is age discrimination, which I was not aware that Canada allowed.

We will welcome these students in our Canadian universities.

by pl0x 6y ago

We will welcome these students in our Canadian universities.

Reminds me of the time the Canadian government used to advertise along the 101 [1] to tempt people with "H-1B problems" to "pivot to Canada." [1] https://mgalligan.com/post/52327738889/canada-h1b https://mgalligan.com/post/52327738889/canada-h1b

Teever 6y ago

Does Canada have the capacity for these extra students?

zelphirkalt 6y ago

From what I heard Canada is one of the countries, where it is difficult to immigrate. I heard, that you need to prove, that you are doing a job, which could not be done by a Canadian, who is seeking a job, for example. Is any of that true? How is it for students? Can they simply go to Canada without such requirements?

jogjayr 6y ago
Not at all. Canada is very welcoming to people and particularly values the following attributes: young, well-educated especially in hot disciplines such as software, fluent in English or French (bonus for both), Canada-educated, previously worked in Canada. The requirements are straightforward and the process is transparent. You can find out where you might stand right here: https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp https://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp Edit: That's a weird thing to be downvoted over.
- splintercell 6y ago
  You're trying to portray these requirements as transparent and easy but they are incredibly hard to be met by most people yeah, especially compared to the requirements for American Immigration system. The only reason why America is hard to immigrate to is because far too many people in line ahead of you. You can immigrate to America without being educated, be able to speak English, to have ever worked anywhere. I know a Canadian girl who wanted her American boyfriend to move to Canada but it was incredibly hard because of Canadian immigration process requirements, so instead she moved to the US. The Canadian job requirement is essentially a prerequisite for anyone to be able to hire you in Canada because Canadians are very risk-averse (what other Canadians told me), there are stories and stories on quora about Indian immigrants getting 4-5 interviews in a day, the day they qualify for the tn1 Visa as opposed to essentially being unemployed during the time they were in Canada. All the things your listing are paper requirements, but they don't match the reality, as I'm experiencing with trying to get my own brother to Canada.
  - manuelabeledo 6y ago
    I don't know if you have had experiences with the US immigration system, but let me tell you, mine don't match what you said. I'm an EU citizen who came to the US five years ago. Not only I had to prove _several times_ that I have a bachelor's degree, but each time I had to apply, either for a visa, the renewal of such visa, or any other USCIS related process, I had to submit: 1. Updated documents about my marriage, my children, and my criminal, work, and financial records from my home country. These haven't changed in the past five years, yet I still have to provide them. 2. Several, lawyer-approved, questionnaires, both filled by myself and my company. 3. My company has to pay a hefty processing fee. Once I get to deposit the documents in person, I have to pay a non refundable "fraud prevention" fee of ~$500, on top of the $120 fee _per person_, just to hand my documents to the consulate official. This happens every two to three years. Nothing had to do with people "ahead" of me. Obviously, no chance to immigrate if you don't have a job lined up in the US already. Failure to fulfill any of these requirements would void the application, which takes ~4 months. Seasonal and agricultural workers _may_ be able to immigrate to the US for a few months, usually six to twelve. Other than that, unless you are a celebrity, or a Nobel prize recipient, or an Olympic athlete, or are willing to invest $500,000 to create who knows how many jobs in the US, I can't think of any other way to immigrate that is not job or study related. From what I understand, Canada does have a more transparent process, where the requirements are closer to "are you professionally qualified to work on these jobs?" and "would you be able to integrate?". The US system is designed mostly to filter out people who cannot afford it, and both the multiple processes, and volatile nature of the USCIS, derive in many qualified immigrants getting kicked out of the country just because something changes at the worst possible moment.
    - splintercell 6y ago
      I have been through multiple H1B applications, a Green Card application, and right now going through Naturalization process, on the other end, I am getting my brother through Canadian process. Regarding the points you made, all these things are applicable for Canadian process too (my brother is stuck trying to prove the documents and degree because of the lockdown), its' just that in American system there are far too many people ahead of you this is why it takes much longer. You're lucky that you have the skillset (and age) Canada values, otherwise it would be extremely difficult for you to migrate to Canada (whereas it isn't that much of a problem for US, unless you are in the unlucky line, i.e. China, India or Mexico).
- Fjolsvith 6y ago
  The young attribute is age discrimination, which I was not aware that Canada allowed.