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It's time to do what China has been doing to "us" for years and make western knock off versions of Tik Tok and Zoom

by rangibaby 6y ago

theseadroid 6y ago
sure, lets race to the bottom with the bad guys.
- rangibaby 6y ago
  I meant more in the sense of their domestic clones of Google, Youtube, and Twitter than the "spyware app" part
chacha2 6y ago
By making a spyware app, isn't China doing to us what we've been doing to them for years?
badwolf 6y ago
So... Vine?
- rangibaby 6y ago
  RIP
sadhen 6y ago
Actually, Zoom is not available in China for personal use. The CEO of Zoom is from China and is an America citizen.
- unicornporn 6y ago
  Semantics. TikTok is available in China, but with a different name (Douyin 抖音).
  - cthalupa 6y ago
    GP is talking about Zoom. You're talking about TikTok/Douyin
cma 6y ago
> Zoom Video Communications, Inc. is an American communications technology company headquartered in San Jose, California. It outsources lots of work to China but presumably so do other tech companies.
jariel 6y ago
It's not the app, it's the audience and regulations. Chinese companies can spend a zillion dollars to promote an app willy nilly as a strategic interest. And then ban competitors on home turf. So the CIA could make 'USATikTok' and spend $2B promoting downloads in China, but it would be banned anyhow. Zoom is an American company with operations in China. The US's 'propaganda arm' is Hollywood. The US does not have the hyper specific and organised legions of propaganda/influencers that China has, nothing close to that. Surely there are some operational capabilities; the US Gov. has close ties with major press outlets and can place stories, and surely has influence in foreign media outlets, and uses major American corporations as cover, but nothing remotely on the scale and purpose of what China is up to. It would be better to just ban Chinese apps related to social media. It's fair because it's tit-for-tat, but also because there are legit influence concerns. We can sick to trading plastic toys and alarm clocks. Edit: I should add what I assumed most people knew, and that is TikTok is a propaganda channel. Matthew Tye, an American ex-pat based in China has an interesting set of videos where he deconstructs a lot of the narrative being pursued on TikTok [1]. It's funny and scary. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aYCG4vEe5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aYCG4vEe5s
- kanox 6y ago
  > there are legit influence concerns. Banning a form of media over "influence concerns" is not legitimate at all.
  - jariel 6y ago
    You folks do realise that in every nation, Media is a protected industry? Just like finance and telecoms? It's practiced everywhere, especially China. Why do you think there is no 'CNN China?' or 'Disney China - Digital Entertainment China?' Or that China only allows X number of Hollywood films every year of course, subject to censorship? [1] Or that Canada has rules over media ownership and content [2] What do you think would happen if China tried to buy the 5 largest American Banks or Telecoms? Or visa versa? TikTok is a media company, it should be treated as such. If China wants to buy/promote a media company in the US, partly as a means to advocate CCP propaganda, then it can be subject to controls. And FYI the conversation is moot from a trade perspective, since China wouldn't allow any such thing remotely to happen over there, there's simply no reason to allow it here. And of course Google, Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp, Snapchat etc. etc. are all banned in China, why on earth the US allows Chinese social media companies in America? Purely from a trade perspective makes utterly no sense. The US should fairly and simply enact China's own media policies for foreign apps tit-for-tat: straight up bans, censorship, rules on ownership, make it impossible for them to compete. That would be fair. When China wants to allow Snapchat unfettered access to China, then possibly TikTok can have unfettered access to the US. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_censorship_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_censorship_in_China [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content#:~:text=For%20broadcast%20stations%2C%20the%20CRTC,was%20lowered%20to%2055%25%20yearly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content#:~:text=For%2....
fabianhjr 6y ago
Twitter bought and shortly thereafter killed Vine. Microsoft Skype & Teams, Google Meet, and others have existed for a while and there isn't anything particularly novel in "online video conference". As for what "China has been doing" they haven't even matched the level of interventions the US has made in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
- deleted 6y ago
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It's time to do what China has been doing to "us" for years and make western knock off versions of Tik Tok and Zoom

theseadroid 6y ago

sure, lets race to the bottom with the bad guys.

rangibaby 6y ago
I meant more in the sense of their domestic clones of Google, Youtube, and Twitter than the "spyware app" part

chacha2 6y ago

By making a spyware app, isn't China doing to us what we've been doing to them for years?

badwolf 6y ago

So... Vine?

rangibaby 6y ago
RIP

sadhen 6y ago

Actually, Zoom is not available in China for personal use. The CEO of Zoom is from China and is an America citizen.

unicornporn 6y ago
Semantics. TikTok is available in China, but with a different name (Douyin 抖音).
- cthalupa 6y ago
  GP is talking about Zoom. You're talking about TikTok/Douyin

cma 6y ago

> Zoom Video Communications, Inc. is an American communications technology company headquartered in San Jose, California. It outsources lots of work to China but presumably so do other tech companies.

jariel 6y ago

It's not the app, it's the audience and regulations. Chinese companies can spend a zillion dollars to promote an app willy nilly as a strategic interest. And then ban competitors on home turf. So the CIA could make 'USATikTok' and spend $2B promoting downloads in China, but it would be banned anyhow. Zoom is an American company with operations in China. The US's 'propaganda arm' is Hollywood. The US does not have the hyper specific and organised legions of propaganda/influencers that China has, nothing close to that. Surely there are some operational capabilities; the US Gov. has close ties with major press outlets and can place stories, and surely has influence in foreign media outlets, and uses major American corporations as cover, but nothing remotely on the scale and purpose of what China is up to. It would be better to just ban Chinese apps related to social media. It's fair because it's tit-for-tat, but also because there are legit influence concerns. We can sick to trading plastic toys and alarm clocks. Edit: I should add what I assumed most people knew, and that is TikTok is a propaganda channel. Matthew Tye, an American ex-pat based in China has an interesting set of videos where he deconstructs a lot of the narrative being pursued on TikTok [1]. It's funny and scary. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aYCG4vEe5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aYCG4vEe5s

kanox 6y ago
> there are legit influence concerns. Banning a form of media over "influence concerns" is not legitimate at all.
- jariel 6y ago
  You folks do realise that in every nation, Media is a protected industry? Just like finance and telecoms? It's practiced everywhere, especially China. Why do you think there is no 'CNN China?' or 'Disney China - Digital Entertainment China?' Or that China only allows X number of Hollywood films every year of course, subject to censorship? [1] Or that Canada has rules over media ownership and content [2] What do you think would happen if China tried to buy the 5 largest American Banks or Telecoms? Or visa versa? TikTok is a media company, it should be treated as such. If China wants to buy/promote a media company in the US, partly as a means to advocate CCP propaganda, then it can be subject to controls. And FYI the conversation is moot from a trade perspective, since China wouldn't allow any such thing remotely to happen over there, there's simply no reason to allow it here. And of course Google, Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp, Snapchat etc. etc. are all banned in China, why on earth the US allows Chinese social media companies in America? Purely from a trade perspective makes utterly no sense. The US should fairly and simply enact China's own media policies for foreign apps tit-for-tat: straight up bans, censorship, rules on ownership, make it impossible for them to compete. That would be fair. When China wants to allow Snapchat unfettered access to China, then possibly TikTok can have unfettered access to the US. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_censorship_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_censorship_in_China [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content#:~:text=For%20broadcast%20stations%2C%20the%20CRTC,was%20lowered%20to%2055%25%20yearly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_content#:~:text=For%2....

fabianhjr 6y ago

Twitter bought and shortly thereafter killed Vine. Microsoft Skype & Teams, Google Meet, and others have existed for a while and there isn't anything particularly novel in "online video conference". As for what "China has been doing" they haven't even matched the level of interventions the US has made in the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

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