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> Journalists do in-depth investigative reporting, they submit FOIA requests, they cultivate connections with other institutions in order to get stories of publ

> Journalists do in-depth investigative reporting, they submit FOIA requests, they cultivate connections with other institutions in order to get stories of public interest to the public. Some do. Others maliciously crop social media comments and provoke twitter flamewars to create content. I think the biggest problem with the tech industry is that it's insufficiently self-critical. But I think journalism has the same problem; I rarely see journalists writing articles about other journalists behaving badly. They have a tendency to protect their own, which mirrors my observations of how people in the tech industry generally respond to criticism of the tech industry.

MiroF 6y ago
Do you think the fact that some journalists maliciously crop social media posts means that we should replace the institutional model with a "Github" model of professional journalists? I'm sorry, but I fail to see this as a crisis of the profession in the same way that the GP does.
- catalogia 6y ago
  > Do you think the fact that some journalists maliciously crop social media posts means that we should replace the institutional model with a "Github" model of professional journalists? No, I definitely don't. I think techies who think they've got all the answers for how to fix journalism are hubristic, but I also think journalists who think all is well with their industry need to get off their high horse and do some introspection too. I think both industries are in a crisis, and it happens that the two crises have nontrivial overlap; the tools the tech industry has been creating over the past 15 or so years have been exacerbating the problems in journalism. So no, I definitely don't think the tech industry is situated to solve the problems with journalism; judging by past performance the tech industry has a deleterious effect on journalism and I don't foresee this changing soon. I don't know how to fix journalism, nor do I know how to fix the tech industry.
  - 6510 6y ago
    I don't know either but I do know it starts with figuring out what journalism is or is suppose to be. You know it when you see it is not a good position to progress from. I'm not thinking of a single answer or a definition of what it is not.(or not suppose to be) I also have no idea who should make the decisions here :-) Perhaps we should all make up our mind indevidually.
- manigandham 6y ago
  No, we're not all saying we need to replace journalism with some wacky new system. What we are saying is that journalism has major problems with accountability and criticism.
- fossuser 6y ago
  Maybe? The most valuable news I currently get is from newsletters by individual writers and their podcasts. Stay Tuned with Preet Bharara and Cafe Insider, Stratechery, Money Stuff, recently persuasion. I also like Stripe’s increment magazine, but that’s more similar to the old model. I’d love to support more individual writers I respect rather than the orgs they write for.

MiroF 6y ago

Do you think the fact that some journalists maliciously crop social media posts means that we should replace the institutional model with a "Github" model of professional journalists? I'm sorry, but I fail to see this as a crisis of the profession in the same way that the GP does.

catalogia 6y ago
> Do you think the fact that some journalists maliciously crop social media posts means that we should replace the institutional model with a "Github" model of professional journalists? No, I definitely don't. I think techies who think they've got all the answers for how to fix journalism are hubristic, but I also think journalists who think all is well with their industry need to get off their high horse and do some introspection too. I think both industries are in a crisis, and it happens that the two crises have nontrivial overlap; the tools the tech industry has been creating over the past 15 or so years have been exacerbating the problems in journalism. So no, I definitely don't think the tech industry is situated to solve the problems with journalism; judging by past performance the tech industry has a deleterious effect on journalism and I don't foresee this changing soon. I don't know how to fix journalism, nor do I know how to fix the tech industry.
- 6510 6y ago
  I don't know either but I do know it starts with figuring out what journalism is or is suppose to be. You know it when you see it is not a good position to progress from. I'm not thinking of a single answer or a definition of what it is not.(or not suppose to be) I also have no idea who should make the decisions here :-) Perhaps we should all make up our mind indevidually.
manigandham 6y ago
No, we're not all saying we need to replace journalism with some wacky new system. What we are saying is that journalism has major problems with accountability and criticism.
fossuser 6y ago
Maybe? The most valuable news I currently get is from newsletters by individual writers and their podcasts. Stay Tuned with Preet Bharara and Cafe Insider, Stratechery, Money Stuff, recently persuasion. I also like Stripe’s increment magazine, but that’s more similar to the old model. I’d love to support more individual writers I respect rather than the orgs they write for.