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Hatred is predicated upon use, or There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/

by 6ren 16y ago

Hatred is predicated upon use, or There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup

jbooth 16y ago
Well, the source for the quote is the author of the most hated upon language in history :) I actually almost came into the thread and left a comment saying simply "C++".
- gumbo 16y ago
  How can you be sure of that? Each language has found it core market: C++ is the leading language in the game industry. C is used for embed software Java is the everyone's language and with it awesome j2ee stack is becoming the de facto language for programming entreprise application. And the list goes ... So as one said, hating a language is imature. You don't like it, don't use it.
  - pornel 16y ago
    C++ is used for gaming because it gets the job done and doesn't have competitor that's equally fast, portable and supported by all SDKs. Similar thing was true for PHP for some time: it wasn't pretty, but it was good enough, and none of the alternatives were as ubiquitous as mod_php.
    - TillE 16y ago
      I've been using C++ professionally and personally for a good ten years now, and aside from compilation speed, I don't really have any complaints about it. Use it properly, use Boost, and it's quite decent. I only wish it had some of the sexy features of other languages, but C++0x (or whatever it's called now) is addressing a lot of that. It's really hard to take the things that C++ does well and do it significantly better. I think D has largely proven that.
fogus 16y ago
> Hatred is predicated upon use That's not true -- plenty of people hate Lisp who've never used it.
- staunch 16y ago
  Never met someone that really knows Perl well that thinks the syntax is a big problem or it's a "write only" language. It's all people who were scared off before they saw the light. Almost always the same with Lisp, vim/emacs, etc. Anything that's too foreign looking causes fear and then hatred for the fear it caused.
- StrawberryFrog 16y ago
  Read it carefully: There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses. Nowhere does it say that the people doing the complaining are always the people who use it. I'd guess that the people hating lisp (or perl, php, etc) are ones who were told that it's great by someone who does use it, and who then tried it and formed a different personal opinion.

by 6ren 16y ago

jbooth 16y ago

Well, the source for the quote is the author of the most hated upon language in history :) I actually almost came into the thread and left a comment saying simply "C++".

gumbo 16y ago
How can you be sure of that? Each language has found it core market: C++ is the leading language in the game industry. C is used for embed software Java is the everyone's language and with it awesome j2ee stack is becoming the de facto language for programming entreprise application. And the list goes ... So as one said, hating a language is imature. You don't like it, don't use it.
- pornel 16y ago
  C++ is used for gaming because it gets the job done and doesn't have competitor that's equally fast, portable and supported by all SDKs. Similar thing was true for PHP for some time: it wasn't pretty, but it was good enough, and none of the alternatives were as ubiquitous as mod_php.
  - TillE 16y ago
    I've been using C++ professionally and personally for a good ten years now, and aside from compilation speed, I don't really have any complaints about it. Use it properly, use Boost, and it's quite decent. I only wish it had some of the sexy features of other languages, but C++0x (or whatever it's called now) is addressing a lot of that. It's really hard to take the things that C++ does well and do it significantly better. I think D has largely proven that.

fogus 16y ago

> Hatred is predicated upon use That's not true -- plenty of people hate Lisp who've never used it.

staunch 16y ago
Never met someone that really knows Perl well that thinks the syntax is a big problem or it's a "write only" language. It's all people who were scared off before they saw the light. Almost always the same with Lisp, vim/emacs, etc. Anything that's too foreign looking causes fear and then hatred for the fear it caused.
StrawberryFrog 16y ago
Read it carefully: There are only two kinds of languages: the ones people complain about and the ones nobody uses. Nowhere does it say that the people doing the complaining are always the people who use it. I'd guess that the people hating lisp (or perl, php, etc) are ones who were told that it's great by someone who does use it, and who then tried it and formed a different personal opinion.