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Black people are convicted of disproportionate amounts of crimes which is different than committing a disproportionate amount of crimes. Or at least as dispropo

Black people are convicted of disproportionate amounts of crimes which is different than committing a disproportionate amount of crimes. Or at least as disproportionate an amount. The police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often. Blacks are also more likely to be poor which means they cannot afford good legal defense.

twsttest 6y ago
Often the studies showing this are flawed, or at least incomplete. For instance, it is often said that black people being arrested at higher rates for buying drugs in small amounts compared to white people when data shows that both groups use drugs at the same rates is evidence of discrimination. However subsequent research has shown that black individuals often engage in much riskier behavior when buying drugs, leading them to get caught more. What evidence do you have that "police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often"?
- marcinzm 6y ago
  >What evidence do you have that "police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often"? Talking to middle class black people, most have stories of police harassment which my white middle class friends do not.
  - twsttest 6y ago
    Have you asked if they were engaging in bad behavior? One sided anecdotes are often unreliable.
  - blaser-waffle 6y ago
    They were harassed -- absolutely believe that. Were they convicted of anything? OP wasn't talking about harassment, they were talking about convictions.
mtgp1000 6y ago
Does personal responsibility matter at all anymore? >The police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often And blacks are more likely to commit the crimes in the first place, and more likely to reoffend. If you want to blame "systematic racism" or whatever the term of the day is, you need to paint the whole picture, because culturally inspired behavior (fuck the police!) leads to culturally inspired outcomes. Tell me, do you believe that the justice system (excluding marital issues) is biased against men relative to women, since the incarceration ratio is like 9:1?
- marcinzm 6y ago
  >Does personal responsibility matter at all anymore? As a white person I'm not worried about the police pointing guns at me when walking home with my kids in a nice neighborhood. My middle class black colleague had that happen to them. Not sure what else they could have done with their "personal responsibility" to avoid that other than bleaching their skin I guess.
  - mtgp1000 6y ago
    >As a white person I'm not worried about the police pointing guns at me when walking home with my kids in a nice neighborhood 8 unarmed black men died at the hands of police last year. In a country with tens of millions of police interactions every year. And proportionally the number of white people who died by cop is approximately the same. What people are worried about right now is a mass hysteria manufactured by a slanted media determined to paint a picture which absolves blacks of any responsibility. I'm more than willing to admit that yes, to some extent, discrimination/racism play a role in unequal outcomes. Are you willing to accept that personal choices have a far greater effect?

twsttest 6y ago

Often the studies showing this are flawed, or at least incomplete. For instance, it is often said that black people being arrested at higher rates for buying drugs in small amounts compared to white people when data shows that both groups use drugs at the same rates is evidence of discrimination. However subsequent research has shown that black individuals often engage in much riskier behavior when buying drugs, leading them to get caught more. What evidence do you have that "police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often"?

marcinzm 6y ago
>What evidence do you have that "police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often"? Talking to middle class black people, most have stories of police harassment which my white middle class friends do not.
- twsttest 6y ago
  Have you asked if they were engaging in bad behavior? One sided anecdotes are often unreliable.
- blaser-waffle 6y ago
  They were harassed -- absolutely believe that. Were they convicted of anything? OP wasn't talking about harassment, they were talking about convictions.

mtgp1000 6y ago

Does personal responsibility matter at all anymore? >The police, prosecutors and juries will go after black people more harshly and more often And blacks are more likely to commit the crimes in the first place, and more likely to reoffend. If you want to blame "systematic racism" or whatever the term of the day is, you need to paint the whole picture, because culturally inspired behavior (fuck the police!) leads to culturally inspired outcomes. Tell me, do you believe that the justice system (excluding marital issues) is biased against men relative to women, since the incarceration ratio is like 9:1?

marcinzm 6y ago
>Does personal responsibility matter at all anymore? As a white person I'm not worried about the police pointing guns at me when walking home with my kids in a nice neighborhood. My middle class black colleague had that happen to them. Not sure what else they could have done with their "personal responsibility" to avoid that other than bleaching their skin I guess.
- mtgp1000 6y ago
  >As a white person I'm not worried about the police pointing guns at me when walking home with my kids in a nice neighborhood 8 unarmed black men died at the hands of police last year. In a country with tens of millions of police interactions every year. And proportionally the number of white people who died by cop is approximately the same. What people are worried about right now is a mass hysteria manufactured by a slanted media determined to paint a picture which absolves blacks of any responsibility. I'm more than willing to admit that yes, to some extent, discrimination/racism play a role in unequal outcomes. Are you willing to accept that personal choices have a far greater effect?