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As someone who buys their own insurance, I have to say there are so many problems with the process. You make it sound like it's as simple as ordering a pizza...

by robbyt 6y ago

As someone who buys their own insurance, I have to say there are so many problems with the process. You make it sound like it's as simple as ordering a pizza... Firstly, the major insurance companies don't want to talk to you, so you need to buy through a broker. The broker is suppose to help you pick the plan that's right for you, but realistically they will email you a few PDFs with 5-7 plans that are all extremely similar, full of jargon, and difficult to understand. Find a better broker? Hah, good luck... So after you become an expert on insurance jargon, and ask your broker lots of question, you're now ready to start paying. For small plans with fewer than 5 people, get ready to pay anywhere from $700-1k per month for the most basic high deductible plan. Then after about a year, you'll get an email and phone call from your broker because your plan is no longer available. So you need to pick a new one, that has slightly different features and costs $20-100 additional per-year. The American health insurance is a parasite.

lotsofpulp 6y ago
> You make it sound like it's as simple as ordering a pizza... It is as simple as going to healthcare.gov You don’t need a broker and it takes 15 minutes at most. It’s just as expensive as any employer sponsored insurance, except for a handful of self funded plans from white collar companies which might be able to offer cheaper insurance since the employees skew young and higher socioeconomic class.
- aaomidi 6y ago
  This is completely false. Insurance is far cheaper for large companies since the risk is being spread amongst a very large pool of individuals.
  - PostThisTooFast 6y ago
    The entire country isn’t a large pool of individuals?
  - lotsofpulp 6y ago
    The pool of lives of a whole state is large enough. Where some large companies benefit is having younger workers who are in a higher socioeconomic class, which usually means healthier and therefore less expensive. Checkout code DD of box 12 on your W-2 and compare to the same metal level plan for your state here: https://www.kff.org/health-reform/state-indicator/average-marketplace-premiums-by-metal-tier/ https://www.kff.org/health-reform/state-indicator/average-ma... I’ve compared it with a few different people working in Fortune 100 companies and it’s almost the same.
rayhendricks 6y ago
Well you can now look for plans on the state health insurance webpages. That does provide some amount of transparency but not for actual service pricing. But it is a bandaid on the original problem that you need to disassociate healthcare from employment and income level. Also the ambulance services in this country are a total racket and can charge whatever they want. https://khn.org/news/taken-for-a-ride-ambulances-stick-patients-with-surprise-bills/ https://khn.org/news/taken-for-a-ride-ambulances-stick-patie... This is not a free market system it’s 100% corporate welfare enforced by taxpayer subsidies to the insurance companies. Ugh.
missedthecue 6y ago
I never said you could do it in the sense that it's easy or cheap. I very specifically pointed out that you could do it in the sense that it is not illegal to.

by robbyt 6y ago

lotsofpulp 6y ago

> You make it sound like it's as simple as ordering a pizza... It is as simple as going to healthcare.gov You don’t need a broker and it takes 15 minutes at most. It’s just as expensive as any employer sponsored insurance, except for a handful of self funded plans from white collar companies which might be able to offer cheaper insurance since the employees skew young and higher socioeconomic class.

aaomidi 6y ago
This is completely false. Insurance is far cheaper for large companies since the risk is being spread amongst a very large pool of individuals.
- PostThisTooFast 6y ago
  The entire country isn’t a large pool of individuals?
- lotsofpulp 6y ago
  The pool of lives of a whole state is large enough. Where some large companies benefit is having younger workers who are in a higher socioeconomic class, which usually means healthier and therefore less expensive. Checkout code DD of box 12 on your W-2 and compare to the same metal level plan for your state here: https://www.kff.org/health-reform/state-indicator/average-marketplace-premiums-by-metal-tier/ https://www.kff.org/health-reform/state-indicator/average-ma... I’ve compared it with a few different people working in Fortune 100 companies and it’s almost the same.

rayhendricks 6y ago

Well you can now look for plans on the state health insurance webpages. That does provide some amount of transparency but not for actual service pricing. But it is a bandaid on the original problem that you need to disassociate healthcare from employment and income level. Also the ambulance services in this country are a total racket and can charge whatever they want. https://khn.org/news/taken-for-a-ride-ambulances-stick-patients-with-surprise-bills/ https://khn.org/news/taken-for-a-ride-ambulances-stick-patie... This is not a free market system it’s 100% corporate welfare enforced by taxpayer subsidies to the insurance companies. Ugh.

missedthecue 6y ago

I never said you could do it in the sense that it's easy or cheap. I very specifically pointed out that you could do it in the sense that it is not illegal to.