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Yes, as an academic and a co-creator of the de-facto annotation tool in my field [1] I certainly have (although having Google Analytics for the website is somet

by ninjin 6y ago

Yes, as an academic and a co-creator of the de-facto annotation tool in my field [1] I certainly have (although having Google Analytics for the website is something I regret…). Now, we have the “luxury” of citation counts as a proxy for academic usage, but I know next to nothing about how our tool is/has been used in industry apart from what pops up on the mailing list. To be fair though, I suspect we could have had bigger impact and maybe keep the project more “alive” with both more efforts on our part and if we had decided to raise funds additional user metrics could have helped, but I am not shedding tears over this. [1]: http://brat.nlplab.org/ http://brat.nlplab.org/ Now, I absolutely sympathise with any developers in this situation. But I think the underlying issue is that we lack a good way to give consent and are stuck with awful solutions like opt-out and ridiculous pop-ups. Is there not good work on this out there or are we forever going to have to endure sub-optimal solutions?

edarchimbaud 6y ago
Hi, I'm Kili's CTO. We have a free version of our annotation tool: https://kili-technology.com/ https://kili-technology.com/. It's the most versatile tool on the market (text, image, video, voice), with native python integration, the ability to use ML to speed up annotation, and great support. Let me know if we can help. Edouard
- ninjin 6y ago
  Wow… Just wow… The Internet these days is just a cesspool at times due to this kind of behavior and I wish I could downvote this into oblivion. Your attempt at marketing disgusts me and know that I now have an awful impression of Kili as a company. Your need to drive customers to your company does not justify this kind of behavior, no matter the quality of your product.
  - memexy 6y ago
    What are you talking about?
    - ninjin 6y ago
      The comment by edarchimbaud that I replied to? Where he blatantly inserted himself into a discussion about telemetry, package development, funding based on concrete metrics, etc. Just to namedrop his company and tool?
      - memexy 6y ago
        I didn't see anything blatant. What was blatant about it?
        ninjin 6y ago
        Imagine the following exchange: A: “Recently I have been thinking about personal responsibility.” B: “Why so?” A: “I believe there is a strong correlation between a sense of personal responsibility and success later in life.” C: “That is interesting, I think I read a study about this once. Here is a link!” <the discussion goes on for some time> B: “Myself, I learned about personal responsibility – in particular financial – when I as a child ran my own little business. What I did was to deliver apples and later fruit for a small fee to the neighbourhood on my bike when I was about twelve. It did not make me rich of course, just enough to buy a video game in the end. But I do think it gave me solid experience in life. Later on in high school I started designing local webpages.” D: “Hi! I am D, I am head of research at Foobar Corp and we have a new apple breed: http://foo.bar/baz http://foo.bar/baz It is the best apple on the market: crisp, juicy, and perfect for pies! Let me know if we can help!” A, B, and C: “Eh?!” Now, you are perfectly in your right to disagree. But I think D is being a dick here and inserting themselves blatantly solely to attract attention to their product and adding nothing to the discussion or the community as a whole – possible because D has signed up for some god awful “business intelligence” tool that just scans various websites for mentions of “apples” so that they can insert a generic, re-usable message. Regardless, I will not monitor this conversation further as I feel we are at this point deviating far far from the topic of this “dead” thread. If you still feel the need to discuss this matter, feel free to dig up my e-mail on my personal website. Trust me, I am fairly easy to locate with my username and a keyword or two from my profile – or just look at the about page using the link to the tool I mentioned earlier in this conversation.

by ninjin 6y ago

edarchimbaud 6y ago

Hi, I'm Kili's CTO. We have a free version of our annotation tool: https://kili-technology.com/ https://kili-technology.com/. It's the most versatile tool on the market (text, image, video, voice), with native python integration, the ability to use ML to speed up annotation, and great support. Let me know if we can help. Edouard

ninjin 6y ago
Wow… Just wow… The Internet these days is just a cesspool at times due to this kind of behavior and I wish I could downvote this into oblivion. Your attempt at marketing disgusts me and know that I now have an awful impression of Kili as a company. Your need to drive customers to your company does not justify this kind of behavior, no matter the quality of your product.
- memexy 6y ago
  What are you talking about?
  - ninjin 6y ago
    The comment by edarchimbaud that I replied to? Where he blatantly inserted himself into a discussion about telemetry, package development, funding based on concrete metrics, etc. Just to namedrop his company and tool?
    - memexy 6y ago
      I didn't see anything blatant. What was blatant about it?
      - ninjin 6y ago
        Imagine the following exchange: A: “Recently I have been thinking about personal responsibility.” B: “Why so?” A: “I believe there is a strong correlation between a sense of personal responsibility and success later in life.” C: “That is interesting, I think I read a study about this once. Here is a link!” <the discussion goes on for some time> B: “Myself, I learned about personal responsibility – in particular financial – when I as a child ran my own little business. What I did was to deliver apples and later fruit for a small fee to the neighbourhood on my bike when I was about twelve. It did not make me rich of course, just enough to buy a video game in the end. But I do think it gave me solid experience in life. Later on in high school I started designing local webpages.” D: “Hi! I am D, I am head of research at Foobar Corp and we have a new apple breed: http://foo.bar/baz http://foo.bar/baz It is the best apple on the market: crisp, juicy, and perfect for pies! Let me know if we can help!” A, B, and C: “Eh?!” Now, you are perfectly in your right to disagree. But I think D is being a dick here and inserting themselves blatantly solely to attract attention to their product and adding nothing to the discussion or the community as a whole – possible because D has signed up for some god awful “business intelligence” tool that just scans various websites for mentions of “apples” so that they can insert a generic, re-usable message. Regardless, I will not monitor this conversation further as I feel we are at this point deviating far far from the topic of this “dead” thread. If you still feel the need to discuss this matter, feel free to dig up my e-mail on my personal website. Trust me, I am fairly easy to locate with my username and a keyword or two from my profile – or just look at the about page using the link to the tool I mentioned earlier in this conversation.