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At that point you probably want a NUC style computer like the Lenovo M75q. Up to 4 core 8 thread, 32GB+ RAM (two slots), AMD graphics and an M.2 slot. https://

At that point you probably want a NUC style computer like the Lenovo M75q. Up to 4 core 8 thread, 32GB+ RAM (two slots), AMD graphics and an M.2 slot. https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkCentre/ThinkCentre_M75q_Tiny/ThinkCentre_M75q_Tiny_Spec.pdf https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkCentre/ThinkCe...

nerdbeere 6y ago
Also noteworthy is the upcoming ASUS PN 50 with the new Ryzen Renoir CPUs with up to 8 cores and 64GB RAM. When this will be available in Europe I’ll get that to replace my MacBook for a developer machine. https://liliputing.com/2020/06/asus-pn50-is-a-mini-pc-with-up-to-an-amd-ryzen-7-4800u-processor.html https://liliputing.com/2020/06/asus-pn50-is-a-mini-pc-with-u...
- vondur 6y ago
  The 8 core 16 thread version looks very promising. Wonder what the prices will be?
- drcross 6y ago
  x64 doesnt excite me as much as Arm does at the moment, for power draw.
thebruce87m 6y ago
The DeskMini series has two M.2 slots AND two 2.5” slots in a tiny enclosure. Here’s mine: Noctua NH-L9A-AM4, 37mm Premium Low-profile CPU Cooler for AMD AM4 (Brown) £36.17 incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/Noctua-NH-L9A-AM4-Premium-Low-profile-Cooler/dp/B075SG1T3X https://www.amazon.co.uk/Noctua-NH-L9A-AM4-Premium-Low-profi... ASRock USB 2.0 Header to 2 x USB 2.0 Cable for DeskMini Series Chassis £10.93 Incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASRock-Cable-Deskmini-Mini-Stx-Chassis/dp/B01N8ZNJ3U/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=asrock+usb&qid=1571139456&s=computers&sr=1-4 https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASRock-Cable-Deskmini-Mini-Stx-Chas... AMD Ryzen 5 3400G Processor (4C/8T, 6MB cache, 4.2GHz Max Boost) with Radeon™ RX Vega 11 Graphics £139.99 incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07SXNDKNM/?tag=pcp0f-21 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07SXNDKNM/?tag=pcp0f-21 Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 Internal SSD High Performance Solid State Drive (SB-ROCKET-1TB) £109.99 incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07LGF54XR/?tag=pcp0f-21&th=1 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07LGF54XR/?tag=pcp0f-21&th=1 ASRock DeskMini A300 Mini PC Barebone for Socket AM4 £146.94 incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07P9GL1LN/?tag=pcp0f-21 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07P9GL1LN/?tag=pcp0f-21 ASRock Wi-Fi Kit for DeskMini Series Chassis, includes 2 x Antennas £29.42 incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASRock-Wi-Fi-DeskMini-Chassis-Antennas/dp/B07PDTNSYS/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=a300+wifi&qid=1570697428&s=computers&sr=1-1 https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASRock-Wi-Fi-DeskMini-Chassis-Anten... 2 x ADATA AD4S2666316G19-S 16GB DDR4 2666 MHz Memory Module - Memory Modules (16GB, 1x 16GB, DDR4, 2666MHz, 260-pin SO-DIMM) 2 x £73.12 incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/ADATA-AD4S2666316G19-S-16GB-Memory-Module/dp/B07B61GLP1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=AD4S2666316G19&qid=1570698649&s=computers&sr=1-1 https://www.amazon.co.uk/ADATA-AD4S2666316G19-S-16GB-Memory-... Price a few months ago - £619.68 Note that you don’t need the noctua fan but the provided fan that comes with the case is a bit whiny.
- opencl 6y ago
  It's also possible to fit the fan included with the 3400G into the deskmini with slight modification (removing the plastic shroud from the top, it's just clipped on).
  - hddherman 6y ago
    For a better fit I also had to cut off two plastic fingers that were left after taking the shroud off. Does not affect the functionality in any way and works well to this day.
- lioeters 6y ago
  Ooh, that does sound good. DeskMini A300's dimensions: 155 x 155 x 80 mm From the specs: https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini%20A300%20Series/index.asp#Specification https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini%20A300%20Series/i...
867-5309 6y ago
being 3-4× the size, weight, price and power consumption, it really doesn't compare. I'm sure pi4 SATA/NVMe enclosures/hats exist
mech422 6y ago
I find the NUC's way overpriced unless you really need a high end CPU. I love my H2s[0]- good mix of cpu, RAM, storage (m2 + sata), and low power usage. Plus, they run standard x86_64 Linux/windows. Tricked out with 16G RAM, and a couple of cheap SSDs mine came in at $250. [0]https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h2plus/ https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h2plus/
- mceachen 6y ago
  How fast does that setup run in practice? I have an odroid hc2 (which is a wholy different chipset than the h2plus, I know), and that's about as pokey as my pi4.
  - mech422 6y ago
    I haven't benchmarked them - the h2plus is celeron quad core at 2.3Ghz, with on-board Intel graphics. I find them fine for light interactive use, and running network services for the home network. Also gradually moving my lab machines over to them. None of this is particularly CPU intensive, but does benefit from being x86 compatible. Also having M2 NVME + 2xSata on-board is nice :-)
- hultner 6y ago
  That's a sick machine, to bad it's not running Intel Nics otherwise I'd consider it for firewall/NAT-uses.
  - mech422 6y ago
    I really like them - here are some photos of putting it all together: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23744973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23744973
- fomine3 6y ago
  Used SFF PC (like Haswell i5) is cheap, powerful for this context, and also nice for power consumption.

nerdbeere 6y ago

Also noteworthy is the upcoming ASUS PN 50 with the new Ryzen Renoir CPUs with up to 8 cores and 64GB RAM. When this will be available in Europe I’ll get that to replace my MacBook for a developer machine. https://liliputing.com/2020/06/asus-pn50-is-a-mini-pc-with-up-to-an-amd-ryzen-7-4800u-processor.html https://liliputing.com/2020/06/asus-pn50-is-a-mini-pc-with-u...

vondur 6y ago
The 8 core 16 thread version looks very promising. Wonder what the prices will be?
drcross 6y ago
x64 doesnt excite me as much as Arm does at the moment, for power draw.

thebruce87m 6y ago

The DeskMini series has two M.2 slots AND two 2.5” slots in a tiny enclosure. Here’s mine: Noctua NH-L9A-AM4, 37mm Premium Low-profile CPU Cooler for AMD AM4 (Brown) £36.17 incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/Noctua-NH-L9A-AM4-Premium-Low-profile-Cooler/dp/B075SG1T3X https://www.amazon.co.uk/Noctua-NH-L9A-AM4-Premium-Low-profi... ASRock USB 2.0 Header to 2 x USB 2.0 Cable for DeskMini Series Chassis £10.93 Incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASRock-Cable-Deskmini-Mini-Stx-Chassis/dp/B01N8ZNJ3U/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=asrock+usb&qid=1571139456&s=computers&sr=1-4 https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASRock-Cable-Deskmini-Mini-Stx-Chas... AMD Ryzen 5 3400G Processor (4C/8T, 6MB cache, 4.2GHz Max Boost) with Radeon™ RX Vega 11 Graphics £139.99 incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07SXNDKNM/?tag=pcp0f-21 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07SXNDKNM/?tag=pcp0f-21 Sabrent 1TB Rocket NVMe PCIe M.2 2280 Internal SSD High Performance Solid State Drive (SB-ROCKET-1TB) £109.99 incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07LGF54XR/?tag=pcp0f-21&th=1 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07LGF54XR/?tag=pcp0f-21&th=1 ASRock DeskMini A300 Mini PC Barebone for Socket AM4 £146.94 incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07P9GL1LN/?tag=pcp0f-21 https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07P9GL1LN/?tag=pcp0f-21 ASRock Wi-Fi Kit for DeskMini Series Chassis, includes 2 x Antennas £29.42 incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASRock-Wi-Fi-DeskMini-Chassis-Antennas/dp/B07PDTNSYS/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=a300+wifi&qid=1570697428&s=computers&sr=1-1 https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASRock-Wi-Fi-DeskMini-Chassis-Anten... 2 x ADATA AD4S2666316G19-S 16GB DDR4 2666 MHz Memory Module - Memory Modules (16GB, 1x 16GB, DDR4, 2666MHz, 260-pin SO-DIMM) 2 x £73.12 incl. VAT https://www.amazon.co.uk/ADATA-AD4S2666316G19-S-16GB-Memory-Module/dp/B07B61GLP1/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=AD4S2666316G19&qid=1570698649&s=computers&sr=1-1 https://www.amazon.co.uk/ADATA-AD4S2666316G19-S-16GB-Memory-... Price a few months ago - £619.68 Note that you don’t need the noctua fan but the provided fan that comes with the case is a bit whiny.

opencl 6y ago
It's also possible to fit the fan included with the 3400G into the deskmini with slight modification (removing the plastic shroud from the top, it's just clipped on).
- hddherman 6y ago
  For a better fit I also had to cut off two plastic fingers that were left after taking the shroud off. Does not affect the functionality in any way and works well to this day.
lioeters 6y ago
Ooh, that does sound good. DeskMini A300's dimensions: 155 x 155 x 80 mm From the specs: https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini%20A300%20Series/index.asp#Specification https://www.asrock.com/nettop/AMD/DeskMini%20A300%20Series/i...

867-5309 6y ago

being 3-4× the size, weight, price and power consumption, it really doesn't compare. I'm sure pi4 SATA/NVMe enclosures/hats exist

mech422 6y ago

I find the NUC's way overpriced unless you really need a high end CPU. I love my H2s[0]- good mix of cpu, RAM, storage (m2 + sata), and low power usage. Plus, they run standard x86_64 Linux/windows. Tricked out with 16G RAM, and a couple of cheap SSDs mine came in at $250. [0]https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h2plus/ https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-h2plus/

mceachen 6y ago
How fast does that setup run in practice? I have an odroid hc2 (which is a wholy different chipset than the h2plus, I know), and that's about as pokey as my pi4.
- mech422 6y ago
  I haven't benchmarked them - the h2plus is celeron quad core at 2.3Ghz, with on-board Intel graphics. I find them fine for light interactive use, and running network services for the home network. Also gradually moving my lab machines over to them. None of this is particularly CPU intensive, but does benefit from being x86 compatible. Also having M2 NVME + 2xSata on-board is nice :-)
hultner 6y ago
That's a sick machine, to bad it's not running Intel Nics otherwise I'd consider it for firewall/NAT-uses.
- mech422 6y ago
  I really like them - here are some photos of putting it all together: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23744973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23744973
fomine3 6y ago
Used SFF PC (like Haswell i5) is cheap, powerful for this context, and also nice for power consumption.