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This is right on, and just another example of GT (a top tier engineering school) being physically located in, and largely beholden to, a state that doesn’t care

by dpeck 6y ago

This is right on, and just another example of GT (a top tier engineering school) being physically located in, and largely beholden to, a state that doesn’t care about, or is downright hostile to all things “technology”/“smart”. I love my alma mater, but I wish somebody over at Emory would have figured out a way to buy out the state at some point and have us as part of them.

zbaylin 6y ago
> a state that doesn’t care about, or is downright hostile to all things “technology”/“smart”. I know this is a generalization, but I find it kind of egregious. Georgia is one of the only states left (AFAIK) where you can essentially attend an in-state college for free if you have a high enough GPA [0]. You can argue about the means by which that is achieved (the lottery), but as a current Tech student I know plenty of very talented students who wouldn't be able to attend college, let alone an engineering school, without these scholarship programs. I doubt that a state/government that truly was anti-technology or anti-"smart" would funnel what must be billions of dollars a year into academic scholarships. [0]: https://www.gafutures.org/hope-state-aid-programs/hope-zell-miller-scholarships/ https://www.gafutures.org/hope-state-aid-programs/hope-zell-...
- wolco 6y ago
  It is also the state where the governor said I didn't know COVID could be spread person to person. The people decided this man was the best person to make decisions on our behalf. Having a lottery determine who gets in is anti-smart (to steal your word) because it doesn't reward based on anything other than randomness. Maybe better described as socialist
  - GA-defender 6y ago
    The lottery he’s referring to is the state lottery, as in gambling. All proceeds from the state lottery must, by law, go fund pre-K education and college tuition. This was a necessary condition to legalize the lottery because conservative rural GA Christians believe lotteries are sinful. In GA pre-K and state colleges are free to state residents. What a backwards bunch of hicks! /sarcasm
- dpeck 6y ago
  Largely the state leadership is in for the economic benefits, but not the social consequences of having a more educated population.
avani 6y ago
If Tech CS students and faculty revolt, we'll welcome them with open arms at Emory, where the entire CS department is teaching online this fall.
- prepend 6y ago
  Sadly the tuition at emory is 4x the price of Georgia Tech in state tuition.
SpaceManNabs 6y ago
Not to mention that HOPE is funded by the lottery (or at least it was when I decided to not go to Georgia Tech with all other friends and instead went up North). So financial aid / scholarships are not only fickle, but also funded by things that hurt the communities that such scholarships would help out most. Emory still has a lot of other issues, just because of being in the South.
- GA-defender 6y ago
  Anybody in GA can take their children to pre-K for free. Any young person in GA can work hard and go to top schools for free. I think that’s a pretty awesome deal for disadvantaged communities. Especially compared to every other state that has legal lotteries and eye watering tuition. Sure, I’d rather lotteries were illegal again. But I’d keep the HOPE baby as I dump the bath water. It’s a model for other states!
GA-defender 6y ago
You would rather be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt than go to a top engineering school for free? You’re aware those same hicks with their backward values that voted for values you don’t agree with are the same hicks, with the same values, that made GT free for you to attend? Those conservative evangelicals who agreed to legalize the state lottery only if all proceeds go to tuition and early childhood education - they’re the reason your education was free.
GA-defender 6y ago
“ being physically located in, and largely beholden to, a state that doesn’t care about, ” You appreciate the irony that this hostile state and her backwards residents paid to have this top school with top facilities and top researchers, right?
selimthegrim 6y ago
From what I have seen (I’m at Tulane but have friends at Emory), they seem to have detailed plans and attention to making sure research labs have strict occupancy limits.
dpeck 6y ago
Edit that “buy out” to “form some sort of public/private partnership with an independent board” I think things are too entrenched these days, but the schools strong points complement each other so well.

by dpeck 6y ago

zbaylin 6y ago

> a state that doesn’t care about, or is downright hostile to all things “technology”/“smart”. I know this is a generalization, but I find it kind of egregious. Georgia is one of the only states left (AFAIK) where you can essentially attend an in-state college for free if you have a high enough GPA [0]. You can argue about the means by which that is achieved (the lottery), but as a current Tech student I know plenty of very talented students who wouldn't be able to attend college, let alone an engineering school, without these scholarship programs. I doubt that a state/government that truly was anti-technology or anti-"smart" would funnel what must be billions of dollars a year into academic scholarships. [0]: https://www.gafutures.org/hope-state-aid-programs/hope-zell-miller-scholarships/ https://www.gafutures.org/hope-state-aid-programs/hope-zell-...

wolco 6y ago
It is also the state where the governor said I didn't know COVID could be spread person to person. The people decided this man was the best person to make decisions on our behalf. Having a lottery determine who gets in is anti-smart (to steal your word) because it doesn't reward based on anything other than randomness. Maybe better described as socialist
- GA-defender 6y ago
  The lottery he’s referring to is the state lottery, as in gambling. All proceeds from the state lottery must, by law, go fund pre-K education and college tuition. This was a necessary condition to legalize the lottery because conservative rural GA Christians believe lotteries are sinful. In GA pre-K and state colleges are free to state residents. What a backwards bunch of hicks! /sarcasm
dpeck 6y ago
Largely the state leadership is in for the economic benefits, but not the social consequences of having a more educated population.

avani 6y ago

If Tech CS students and faculty revolt, we'll welcome them with open arms at Emory, where the entire CS department is teaching online this fall.

prepend 6y ago
Sadly the tuition at emory is 4x the price of Georgia Tech in state tuition.

SpaceManNabs 6y ago

Not to mention that HOPE is funded by the lottery (or at least it was when I decided to not go to Georgia Tech with all other friends and instead went up North). So financial aid / scholarships are not only fickle, but also funded by things that hurt the communities that such scholarships would help out most. Emory still has a lot of other issues, just because of being in the South.

GA-defender 6y ago
Anybody in GA can take their children to pre-K for free. Any young person in GA can work hard and go to top schools for free. I think that’s a pretty awesome deal for disadvantaged communities. Especially compared to every other state that has legal lotteries and eye watering tuition. Sure, I’d rather lotteries were illegal again. But I’d keep the HOPE baby as I dump the bath water. It’s a model for other states!

GA-defender 6y ago

You would rather be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt than go to a top engineering school for free? You’re aware those same hicks with their backward values that voted for values you don’t agree with are the same hicks, with the same values, that made GT free for you to attend? Those conservative evangelicals who agreed to legalize the state lottery only if all proceeds go to tuition and early childhood education - they’re the reason your education was free.

GA-defender 6y ago

“ being physically located in, and largely beholden to, a state that doesn’t care about, ” You appreciate the irony that this hostile state and her backwards residents paid to have this top school with top facilities and top researchers, right?

selimthegrim 6y ago

From what I have seen (I’m at Tulane but have friends at Emory), they seem to have detailed plans and attention to making sure research labs have strict occupancy limits.

dpeck 6y ago

Edit that “buy out” to “form some sort of public/private partnership with an independent board” I think things are too entrenched these days, but the schools strong points complement each other so well.