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> actually achieves nothing It's worse than nothing. It sucks up oxygen that could be used elsewhere. Outrage/attention is a finite resource, and the more of

> actually achieves nothing It's worse than nothing. It sucks up oxygen that could be used elsewhere. Outrage/attention is a finite resource, and the more of it is blown on topics like this, the less is available to spend on things like income inequality, hiring biases, incarceration rates, police brutality, social programs, diversity/representation in media/politics, etc. At this moment in time the Black Lives Matter movement has precious momentum that must not be squandered. To put it bluntly: distractions like this are actively harmful, and become more harmful the more attention they receive. Focus is crucial.

mnm1 6y ago
Absolutely. BLM asks to put a stop to police brutality/racism and stupid white people decide to change the phrase "grandfathered" or "you guys" in response. Or to put down entire languages like Spanish because they use gendered nouns. A more tone deaf response would be hard to achieve. Even those of us who have supported the cause against police brutality and racism for years are now losing interest and energy. If this is the outcome of the protests, they were indeed all for naught, just spreading corona so a bunch of idiots can feel better about themselves thinking they made a change in the world by censoring others' speech. How absurd.
- josteink 6y ago
  > just spreading corona And causing riots, billions in property damages and innocent civilian lives lost (even before we’re considering the corona). At this point the BLM movement is a clear net negative for society.
  - paulryanrogers 6y ago
    > At this point the BLM movement is a clear net negative for society. This is a huge stretch. Just because a movement has been exploited by opportunists and some bad apples doesn't make it net negative. Also keep in mind that the victims of systemic racism have suffered for centuries and continue to as their complaints fall on deaf ears.
  - sumedh 6y ago
    > At this point the BLM movement is a clear net negative for society. What is your solution to bring awareness against police brutality and systematic racism?
    - josteink 6y ago
      > What is your solution to bring awareness against police brutality Unlawful police brutality is bad regardless of who it is being committed against. Framing this as a "black" issue and not a general issue which everyone can unite on, is divisive. The solution is obviously to provide better training for new police officers and foster a better attitude among the police force (in general, new or old) towards their role in society. > systematic racism I don't believe in unfounded claims. Are there actual data to back this extraordinary claim of systematic racism today (as opposed to in the past), or is this just internet-outrage?
      - sumedh 6y ago
        > Framing this as a "black" issue and not a general issue which everyone can unite on, is divisive. Everyone is united, why do you think they are not. A racist person obviously would not be united on this issue. > The solution is obviously to provide better training for new police officers So why wasn't this done earlier? > (as opposed to in the past) Ok, so what is your solution to fix the effects of past systematic racism.
        josteink 6y ago
        > Ok, so what is your solution to fix the effects of past systematic racism. Whats your solution to fixing past inequality of wealth? Shall we disown the rich of their personal property? Some problems we just decide not to fix and just move on, trying to create something with a more fair, and level playing field from here on. I don’t see how we can handle this any differently. Implementing systematic new racism in our time to fight racism from past times obviously won’t work and will just create new sets of problems for future generations.
        6y ago

mnm1 6y ago

Absolutely. BLM asks to put a stop to police brutality/racism and stupid white people decide to change the phrase "grandfathered" or "you guys" in response. Or to put down entire languages like Spanish because they use gendered nouns. A more tone deaf response would be hard to achieve. Even those of us who have supported the cause against police brutality and racism for years are now losing interest and energy. If this is the outcome of the protests, they were indeed all for naught, just spreading corona so a bunch of idiots can feel better about themselves thinking they made a change in the world by censoring others' speech. How absurd.

josteink 6y ago
> just spreading corona And causing riots, billions in property damages and innocent civilian lives lost (even before we’re considering the corona). At this point the BLM movement is a clear net negative for society.
- paulryanrogers 6y ago
  > At this point the BLM movement is a clear net negative for society. This is a huge stretch. Just because a movement has been exploited by opportunists and some bad apples doesn't make it net negative. Also keep in mind that the victims of systemic racism have suffered for centuries and continue to as their complaints fall on deaf ears.
- sumedh 6y ago
  > At this point the BLM movement is a clear net negative for society. What is your solution to bring awareness against police brutality and systematic racism?
  - josteink 6y ago
    > What is your solution to bring awareness against police brutality Unlawful police brutality is bad regardless of who it is being committed against. Framing this as a "black" issue and not a general issue which everyone can unite on, is divisive. The solution is obviously to provide better training for new police officers and foster a better attitude among the police force (in general, new or old) towards their role in society. > systematic racism I don't believe in unfounded claims. Are there actual data to back this extraordinary claim of systematic racism today (as opposed to in the past), or is this just internet-outrage?
    - sumedh 6y ago
      > Framing this as a "black" issue and not a general issue which everyone can unite on, is divisive. Everyone is united, why do you think they are not. A racist person obviously would not be united on this issue. > The solution is obviously to provide better training for new police officers So why wasn't this done earlier? > (as opposed to in the past) Ok, so what is your solution to fix the effects of past systematic racism.
      - josteink 6y ago
        > Ok, so what is your solution to fix the effects of past systematic racism. Whats your solution to fixing past inequality of wealth? Shall we disown the rich of their personal property? Some problems we just decide not to fix and just move on, trying to create something with a more fair, and level playing field from here on. I don’t see how we can handle this any differently. Implementing systematic new racism in our time to fight racism from past times obviously won’t work and will just create new sets of problems for future generations.
        6y ago