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> We will be talking exclusively about electric cars. he compared cost, performance, regulations, but I didn't see him tackle the issue of range and recharge t

> We will be talking exclusively about electric cars. he compared cost, performance, regulations, but I didn't see him tackle the issue of range and recharge times not even in passing. > It is the only way forward. with claims like these, skipping the two major drawbacks seems quite intellectually dishonest.

supportlocal4h 6y ago
This was the point I started to lose interest. "Let's completely reimagine from scratch. But we all know there's really only one option so let's ignore any other ideas."
- LoSboccacc 6y ago
  exactly, this "re-imagined" car just looks a lot like a tesla, but with proprietary connectors instead of the industry standards, I wonder why, surely it isn't to curb stomp the accessories and replacement parts market. (heck, bet they even want even to remove the obd port)
derefr 6y ago
Why would Apple's hypothetical car need to solve problems endemic to the vertical itself? Electrical is still "the only way forward" for automakers—politically, due to emissions regulations—whether consumers are willing to accept those drawbacks or not (i.e. whether it's profitable to build EV cars or not.) Auto-makers just have to bite the bullet and accept lower profits as people refuse to compromise for a while, until those same consumers later realize that governments won't be letting them have things any other way. Conveniently for Apple, their strategy has always been to leave enough of a profit margin for themselves (and market to those who can afford to pay it), that the business will pay back its capital outlay even from only niche uptake. Apple isn't Tesla, with a plan to eventually sell an EV car into every garage; they don't need general market adoption, just adoption by conspicuous consumers.
simonh 6y ago
With all the major economies planning to ban ICE vehicles within the next few decades, I don’t really see a good argument for dishonesty here.
- LoSboccacc 6y ago
  it ignores that there are pretty solid researches into biofuels which are reaching high yield, low pollutant emissions[1], would reuse most of the existing infrastructure and all without sacrificing range and versatility. [1] note that it's misguided to claim you have to reach zero emission to compete with batteries, because batteries chemicals pollutes both during extraction, transformation and disposal.

supportlocal4h 6y ago

This was the point I started to lose interest. "Let's completely reimagine from scratch. But we all know there's really only one option so let's ignore any other ideas."

LoSboccacc 6y ago
exactly, this "re-imagined" car just looks a lot like a tesla, but with proprietary connectors instead of the industry standards, I wonder why, surely it isn't to curb stomp the accessories and replacement parts market. (heck, bet they even want even to remove the obd port)

derefr 6y ago

Why would Apple's hypothetical car need to solve problems endemic to the vertical itself? Electrical is still "the only way forward" for automakers—politically, due to emissions regulations—whether consumers are willing to accept those drawbacks or not (i.e. whether it's profitable to build EV cars or not.) Auto-makers just have to bite the bullet and accept lower profits as people refuse to compromise for a while, until those same consumers later realize that governments won't be letting them have things any other way. Conveniently for Apple, their strategy has always been to leave enough of a profit margin for themselves (and market to those who can afford to pay it), that the business will pay back its capital outlay even from only niche uptake. Apple isn't Tesla, with a plan to eventually sell an EV car into every garage; they don't need general market adoption, just adoption by conspicuous consumers.

simonh 6y ago

With all the major economies planning to ban ICE vehicles within the next few decades, I don’t really see a good argument for dishonesty here.

LoSboccacc 6y ago
it ignores that there are pretty solid researches into biofuels which are reaching high yield, low pollutant emissions[1], would reuse most of the existing infrastructure and all without sacrificing range and versatility. [1] note that it's misguided to claim you have to reach zero emission to compete with batteries, because batteries chemicals pollutes both during extraction, transformation and disposal.