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I am sure both of us risk getting our accounts flagged or banned for having an opinion, but perhaps you could use the API to display what concerns you. I can sa

I am sure both of us risk getting our accounts flagged or banned for having an opinion, but perhaps you could use the API to display what concerns you. I can say pretty much all of it concerns me. I don't believe in cherry picking "the good stuff" while avoiding all the atrocities that in there. It's amazing how most don't read their "most important book". They just wait for others to tell them the pretty verses they found. It's sort of like modern day social media. People don't actually read the content, they wait for others to comment on the headline only. But, a reminder to all the mods and down-vote hungry people, if someone can post a link to a religion's website and tools, we should allowed to comment on how we'd like to use it.

nurettin 6y ago
> It's amazing how most don't read their "most important book". They just wait for others to tell them the pretty verses they found. It's sort of like modern day social media. People don't actually read the content, they wait for others to comment on the headline only. This is the case for every major religion out there. I live in the middle east. I've known hundreds of people personally in my life. How many have actually read the Quran cover to cover? Only a few. IMO especially the most religious avoid it at all costs in fear of actually learning some truth that might make them question the book. So APIs and presenting multiple translations is really important. Word by word translation helps a lot. Make it so ubiquitous that people have no chance but to know what is actually written inside instead of acting like they know by reciting a few things they have heard and cherry-picked. I have done my own compilation to help people in the past [1]. Payment is actually optional, free sample already has full content. [1] https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Omar_Haroon_Terc%C3%BCmeli_Kuran_Meali?id=qMN0BAAAQBAJ&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Omar_Haroon_Terc...
- ducaale 6y ago
  Well, In Somalia we do read the Quran. In fact, virtually every child memorizes it from cover to cover before starting school. But if you mean understanding what it says, then you have a point.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    What a complete waste of time. If you're going to be forced to cram a book that size it would be great if it contained knowledge rooted in science. Think about it: you could start today and within two decades you'd have a generation of actual scholars. Somalia would leap ahead.
    - ducaale 6y ago
      I don't consider it a waste of time. In fact, I am reading it right now. And yes, I do plan to start coding when I finish my recitation today :)
      - jacquesm 6y ago
        Well, good for you. I always wonder what would happen if the Islamic world would go through the equivalent of the enlightenment, I think it would leapfrog the 'west' in a generation or two if it did.
        ducaale 6y ago
        We don't need to abandon our faith to achieve that. In fact, we already had a golden age[1] where we leapfrogged most civilizations. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
        sjwright 6y ago
        Yes, and then you were leap-elephanted by the enlightenment. Keep up.
        ducaale 6y ago
        Yeah, it is really unfortunate. But remember that this world is like a pendulum. You might have it your way today but it will not last. Meanwhile, We will do our best to catchup ;)
jariel 6y ago
So tell us about Jesus' 'atrocities'. If you're reference them, surely you be able to at least give us some examples?
- goto11 6y ago
  You seriously want examples of atrocities from the Bible? How about the law that homosexuals should be stoned to death? Or that rape victims should be either killed or forced to marry the rapist? The command that slaves should obey their masters?
  - jariel 6y ago
    Yes, reference for us when Jesus did those things.
    - goto11 6y ago
      The grandparent just talked about atrocities in the Bible not specifically about Jesus. Jesus just condoned these things, but didn't kill anybody personally. (Unless you believe Jesus = God.) The worst thing Jesus did was saying you didn't have to wash your hands before eating, which have probably killed millions of innocent people due to diseases and infections. But I'm sure he did this only out of ignorance and not malice.
      - jariel 6y ago
        "The worst thing Jesus did was saying you didn't have to wash your hands before eating, which have probably killed millions of innocent people due to diseases and infections." This is really deep insight into cause and effect. When we think 'Jesus, History, Spirituality, Theology, Sociology' .... the thing that really should come to mind is the hand-washing, you know, and the millions dead. Inadvertently of course! I never thought to consider that Gandhi, by asking a nation to expend their resources on making 'homespun' clothing instead of wearing that which was very cheaply made on textile machines, was inadvertently causing mass poverty. Probably millions dead. So tragic. Now that's the thing we need to remember when thinking about this guy.
brightball 6y ago
You’re 100% right about people not reading. I actually teach an adult Sunday School class in my spare time because it’s really fascinating to read and get into the history. My slogan for the class is “You cannot be misled if you’ve read.” We spend a lot of time talking about man made traditions that aren’t biblically supported as well as the cherry picking without context that often happens. Christianity can withstand plenty of scrutiny and it does. It’s the man made rules that claim to be based on it that don’t hold up. You also get to see major themes in the Bible when you read the entire thing. Themes are reiterated over and over. That type of context is very important when you realize how much people may latch onto something mentioned once.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  Christianity is also man made.
  - brightball 6y ago
    Only if you believe the entire Bible is false. And that is certainly a choice that anyone has the right to make.
    - jacquesm 6y ago
      And I do. What are the chances of multiple male authors creating a book that confirms their worldview and lays down the law for everybody else to follow putting them at a very hard to dispute real life advantage vs it being handed down by an omnipotent being? Let's just say I would be highly surprised if anything related to the spiritual world and related to miracles or the origins of the universe as related in the bible came out to be true in a way that does not agree with hard science.
      - brightball 6y ago
        As a former atheist / agnostic, I completely understand your perspective.
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nurettin 6y ago

> It's amazing how most don't read their "most important book". They just wait for others to tell them the pretty verses they found. It's sort of like modern day social media. People don't actually read the content, they wait for others to comment on the headline only. This is the case for every major religion out there. I live in the middle east. I've known hundreds of people personally in my life. How many have actually read the Quran cover to cover? Only a few. IMO especially the most religious avoid it at all costs in fear of actually learning some truth that might make them question the book. So APIs and presenting multiple translations is really important. Word by word translation helps a lot. Make it so ubiquitous that people have no chance but to know what is actually written inside instead of acting like they know by reciting a few things they have heard and cherry-picked. I have done my own compilation to help people in the past [1]. Payment is actually optional, free sample already has full content. [1] https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Omar_Haroon_Terc%C3%BCmeli_Kuran_Meali?id=qMN0BAAAQBAJ&hl=en https://play.google.com/store/books/details/Omar_Haroon_Terc...

ducaale 6y ago
Well, In Somalia we do read the Quran. In fact, virtually every child memorizes it from cover to cover before starting school. But if you mean understanding what it says, then you have a point.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  What a complete waste of time. If you're going to be forced to cram a book that size it would be great if it contained knowledge rooted in science. Think about it: you could start today and within two decades you'd have a generation of actual scholars. Somalia would leap ahead.
  - ducaale 6y ago
    I don't consider it a waste of time. In fact, I am reading it right now. And yes, I do plan to start coding when I finish my recitation today :)
    - jacquesm 6y ago
      Well, good for you. I always wonder what would happen if the Islamic world would go through the equivalent of the enlightenment, I think it would leapfrog the 'west' in a generation or two if it did.
      - ducaale 6y ago
        We don't need to abandon our faith to achieve that. In fact, we already had a golden age[1] where we leapfrogged most civilizations. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age
        sjwright 6y ago
        Yes, and then you were leap-elephanted by the enlightenment. Keep up.
        ducaale 6y ago
        Yeah, it is really unfortunate. But remember that this world is like a pendulum. You might have it your way today but it will not last. Meanwhile, We will do our best to catchup ;)

jariel 6y ago

So tell us about Jesus' 'atrocities'. If you're reference them, surely you be able to at least give us some examples?

goto11 6y ago
You seriously want examples of atrocities from the Bible? How about the law that homosexuals should be stoned to death? Or that rape victims should be either killed or forced to marry the rapist? The command that slaves should obey their masters?
- jariel 6y ago
  Yes, reference for us when Jesus did those things.
  - goto11 6y ago
    The grandparent just talked about atrocities in the Bible not specifically about Jesus. Jesus just condoned these things, but didn't kill anybody personally. (Unless you believe Jesus = God.) The worst thing Jesus did was saying you didn't have to wash your hands before eating, which have probably killed millions of innocent people due to diseases and infections. But I'm sure he did this only out of ignorance and not malice.
    - jariel 6y ago
      "The worst thing Jesus did was saying you didn't have to wash your hands before eating, which have probably killed millions of innocent people due to diseases and infections." This is really deep insight into cause and effect. When we think 'Jesus, History, Spirituality, Theology, Sociology' .... the thing that really should come to mind is the hand-washing, you know, and the millions dead. Inadvertently of course! I never thought to consider that Gandhi, by asking a nation to expend their resources on making 'homespun' clothing instead of wearing that which was very cheaply made on textile machines, was inadvertently causing mass poverty. Probably millions dead. So tragic. Now that's the thing we need to remember when thinking about this guy.

brightball 6y ago

You’re 100% right about people not reading. I actually teach an adult Sunday School class in my spare time because it’s really fascinating to read and get into the history. My slogan for the class is “You cannot be misled if you’ve read.” We spend a lot of time talking about man made traditions that aren’t biblically supported as well as the cherry picking without context that often happens. Christianity can withstand plenty of scrutiny and it does. It’s the man made rules that claim to be based on it that don’t hold up. You also get to see major themes in the Bible when you read the entire thing. Themes are reiterated over and over. That type of context is very important when you realize how much people may latch onto something mentioned once.

jacquesm 6y ago
Christianity is also man made.
- brightball 6y ago
  Only if you believe the entire Bible is false. And that is certainly a choice that anyone has the right to make.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    And I do. What are the chances of multiple male authors creating a book that confirms their worldview and lays down the law for everybody else to follow putting them at a very hard to dispute real life advantage vs it being handed down by an omnipotent being? Let's just say I would be highly surprised if anything related to the spiritual world and related to miracles or the origins of the universe as related in the bible came out to be true in a way that does not agree with hard science.
    - brightball 6y ago
      As a former atheist / agnostic, I completely understand your perspective.
  - deleted 6y ago