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Patriotism is just as absurd as any other dogma to a person who doesn't share it. I think the US has done some great things as have most countries. It's when yo

Patriotism is just as absurd as any other dogma to a person who doesn't share it. I think the US has done some great things as have most countries. It's when you start blindly believing it's perfect that it seems less than rational. > generic wrongs against black people that haven't actually been specified Surely you don't need to hear the list again?

AnthonyMouse 6y ago
> It's when you start blindly believing it's perfect that it seems less than rational. Who said it was perfect? > Surely you don't need to hear the list again? Is there somewhere they keep this list? I keep getting partial versions. There's the ones where we list bad laws that haven't been on the books in many years, the ones (like police murders) that do literally happen but are dramatically less common than the level of attention would lead you to believe, the thing where people try to claim things with aggregate statistics without adjusting for confounders... I'm sure there are some legitimate ones, what I can't understand is why the focus is regularly on all these ones that evaporate upon examination. Maybe it's the toxoplasma thing, which I can't link to because SSC is gone. :(
- cookie_monsta 6y ago
  Hmmm... let me guess: You got where you are 'cause you were the smartest and worked the hardest and won the race amongst equals?
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    Don't do that. Don't attack the speaker instead of the arguments. You don't know anything about me.
    - cookie_monsta 6y ago
      It's nothing personal, merely an observation of the phenomena that it's hard/ uncomfortable to see the unfairness of a system of which you are clearly a benefactor. The idea that everybody's equal starting... now! is lovely if you can ignore the fact that some people have a 500 year head start.
      - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
        > The idea that everybody's equal starting... now! is lovely if you can ignore the fact that some people have a 600 year head start. Except that nobody is claiming that, and even if they were, you would then be having a class dispute rather than a race dispute anyway.
        cookie_monsta 6y ago
        So if you understand how historic injustice leads to present day disadvantage then there's no point distracting from the discussion by claiming to be bewildered by the fundamentals. I agree that class distinctions are becoming less useful except if you define class in terms of opportunity in which case it's hard to argue that it and race live in two completely separate petri dishes.
        AnthonyMouse 6y ago
        The point is that, for largely existing political coalition reasons, people are trying to make a class problem be about race because it makes it align with the base of a particular political party. Police unions lean Republican, so Republicans have a political need to defend them, so if you can pit black people against the police then you can get them to vote the way you want without actually giving them anything. And then you don't have to worry about them getting together with poor white people to ask why housing costs so much and there isn't more economic opportunity for non-megacorps.
        cookie_monsta 6y ago
        So, the civil rights movement is a Republican campaign strategy? LOL.

AnthonyMouse 6y ago

> It's when you start blindly believing it's perfect that it seems less than rational. Who said it was perfect? > Surely you don't need to hear the list again? Is there somewhere they keep this list? I keep getting partial versions. There's the ones where we list bad laws that haven't been on the books in many years, the ones (like police murders) that do literally happen but are dramatically less common than the level of attention would lead you to believe, the thing where people try to claim things with aggregate statistics without adjusting for confounders... I'm sure there are some legitimate ones, what I can't understand is why the focus is regularly on all these ones that evaporate upon examination. Maybe it's the toxoplasma thing, which I can't link to because SSC is gone. :(

cookie_monsta 6y ago
Hmmm... let me guess: You got where you are 'cause you were the smartest and worked the hardest and won the race amongst equals?
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  Don't do that. Don't attack the speaker instead of the arguments. You don't know anything about me.
  - cookie_monsta 6y ago
    It's nothing personal, merely an observation of the phenomena that it's hard/ uncomfortable to see the unfairness of a system of which you are clearly a benefactor. The idea that everybody's equal starting... now! is lovely if you can ignore the fact that some people have a 500 year head start.
    - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
      > The idea that everybody's equal starting... now! is lovely if you can ignore the fact that some people have a 600 year head start. Except that nobody is claiming that, and even if they were, you would then be having a class dispute rather than a race dispute anyway.
      - cookie_monsta 6y ago
        So if you understand how historic injustice leads to present day disadvantage then there's no point distracting from the discussion by claiming to be bewildered by the fundamentals. I agree that class distinctions are becoming less useful except if you define class in terms of opportunity in which case it's hard to argue that it and race live in two completely separate petri dishes.
        AnthonyMouse 6y ago
        The point is that, for largely existing political coalition reasons, people are trying to make a class problem be about race because it makes it align with the base of a particular political party. Police unions lean Republican, so Republicans have a political need to defend them, so if you can pit black people against the police then you can get them to vote the way you want without actually giving them anything. And then you don't have to worry about them getting together with poor white people to ask why housing costs so much and there isn't more economic opportunity for non-megacorps.
        cookie_monsta 6y ago
        So, the civil rights movement is a Republican campaign strategy? LOL.