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It's this actually short sighted though? I feel like the 'companies are exploiting open source' dialogue always ignores how wildly miniscule the risks often are

It's this actually short sighted though? I feel like the 'companies are exploiting open source' dialogue always ignores how wildly miniscule the risks often are for the company. Creality might have lost a US distributor but is the US their primary market and were they unable to find another distributor? Don't get me won't, I'm not happy about the state of affairs, but banks are usually pretty risk averse (or more accurately, their risk portfolio is catastrophe averse). If an org like a bank doesn't care it seems like a sign that open source either needs some better teeth or it needs to accept that its role in the ecosystem is changing. We might see some short term success calling out bad actors but if there's enough of them to put on a whole play then it seems more useful to focus on why they're all able to book a theatre so easily.

artsyca 6y ago
That's definitely one way of looking at it but when you're a bank with projects in the tens of millions hinging on EmberJS, you'd think you'd be more sensitive to the plight of EmberJS development? I mean the open source project suddenly being abandoned due to lack of a corporate sponsor would be pretty catastrophic, no? What struck me the most is that at its heart the bank has these sorts of provisions in its constitution, ie giving back to the community and being in harmony with the environment and being relationship oriented. It's like the lion not rewarding the mouse in that old fable, due to brand having been subverted by petty bureaucracy and middling management.
- ColanR 6y ago
  > more sensitive to the plight of EmberJS development I doubt they'd have started using it in the first place if the software looked like it would be abandoned. If the best 'teeth' open source has is, "we might stop developing this at some point in the future if you don't give us $ for using our work", then as the parent said open source needs better teeth.
  - artsyca 6y ago
    Yea I know moralistic arguments lack teeth but on some level computer science is a field founded on the concept of good faith so I like to remain loyal to the spirit of Prometheus when I'm having my liver eaten out each morning by vultures aka my project manager. And as I mentioned in my parable the lion didn't need the mouse to bite it in order to do the right thing you know what I'm saying? In other words a 150 year+ institution should just know better and it's a shame to think they've been sucking the world dry for that long without a second thought as to how it might affect their own bottom line.
    - matz1 6y ago
      You can't rely on "they should just know better" otherwise you would face a lot of disappointment. If you want something you better have the teeth or something to force the change.

artsyca 6y ago

That's definitely one way of looking at it but when you're a bank with projects in the tens of millions hinging on EmberJS, you'd think you'd be more sensitive to the plight of EmberJS development? I mean the open source project suddenly being abandoned due to lack of a corporate sponsor would be pretty catastrophic, no? What struck me the most is that at its heart the bank has these sorts of provisions in its constitution, ie giving back to the community and being in harmony with the environment and being relationship oriented. It's like the lion not rewarding the mouse in that old fable, due to brand having been subverted by petty bureaucracy and middling management.

ColanR 6y ago
> more sensitive to the plight of EmberJS development I doubt they'd have started using it in the first place if the software looked like it would be abandoned. If the best 'teeth' open source has is, "we might stop developing this at some point in the future if you don't give us $ for using our work", then as the parent said open source needs better teeth.
- artsyca 6y ago
  Yea I know moralistic arguments lack teeth but on some level computer science is a field founded on the concept of good faith so I like to remain loyal to the spirit of Prometheus when I'm having my liver eaten out each morning by vultures aka my project manager. And as I mentioned in my parable the lion didn't need the mouse to bite it in order to do the right thing you know what I'm saying? In other words a 150 year+ institution should just know better and it's a shame to think they've been sucking the world dry for that long without a second thought as to how it might affect their own bottom line.
  - matz1 6y ago
    You can't rely on "they should just know better" otherwise you would face a lot of disappointment. If you want something you better have the teeth or something to force the change.