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> what can go wrong when you [..] rely on government oversight > this sounds like a traditional government project problem I don't know why you're trying to tu

by sho 6y ago

> what can go wrong when you [..] rely on government oversight > this sounds like a traditional government project problem I don't know why you're trying to turn this into an "obviously govt can't do anything" point. There are plenty of very well-run governments who would have ably foreseen and solved these problems. And no doubt there's any number of private companies who would have screwed up just as badly. Trying to tar the entire idea of government with Pakistan's performance is pretty bad faith IMO.

igravious 6y ago
Amen. Not just bad faith; ignorant, myopic and ahistorical. > this sounds like a traditional government project problem -- susceptibility to corruption, vanity, hubris etc. said the person on a web forum (the web comes from CERN, a gov project) over the internet (the internet comes from DARPA, a gov project) on a computer (ever heard of the ENIAC? a gov project) Tech bros mouthing off off-topicly about the government is the most tedious and boring thing ever. https://techpinions.com/its-not-just-the-internet-how-government-built-the-computer-industry/8104 https://techpinions.com/its-not-just-the-internet-how-govern...
- Jedd 6y ago
  > Amen. Not just bad faith; ignorant, myopic and ahistorical. Referring to GP's wikipedia reference, can you explain the two 'for unknown reasons' on a) why the original (Canadian) contract was not engaged, and b) the Turkish project was not engaged. What precisely was ashistorical about any of my post? > > this sounds like a traditional government project problem -- susceptibility to corruption, vanity, hubris etc. > said the person on a web forum (the web comes from CERN, a gov project) over the internet (the internet comes from DARPA, a gov project) on a computer (ever heard of the ENIAC? a gov project) I really am bewildered. Are you claiming that because I'm using the Internet I am not authorised to claim that any government project in any country at any time is beyond questioning? > Tech bros mouthing off off-topicly about the government is the most tedious and boring thing ever. Goodness. I'm sorry you're bored, I'm not a tech bro, claims of poorly run projects within the land of the pure isn't off-topic to the claims made.
  - igravious 6y ago
    Please go grind your axe somewhere else.
    - Jedd 6y ago
      I'm assuming that since axes weren't government inventions that we're allowed to talk about them?
Jedd 6y ago
> > what can go wrong when you You're mis-quoting me. Is this intentional? I understand paraphrasing, but there's better (and more accurate) ways of doing that. > I don't know why you're trying to turn this into an "obviously govt can't do anything" point. There are plenty of very well-run governments who would have .. FWIW it wasn't a 'no government can do anything' claim. I have no doubt that there are a number of government agencies that can do things. The fact that this particular project delivered a measurable 20% of projected outcomes is the point. If you have some alternative interpretations of this outcome, they'd be very welcome. > And no doubt there's any number of private companies who would have screwed up just as badly. Are you suggesting I can't claim something is bad -- because something else would be just as bad? > Trying to tar the entire idea of government with Pakistan's performance is pretty bad faith IMO. This is a bold leap, and no faith is involved.

by sho 6y ago

igravious 6y ago

Amen. Not just bad faith; ignorant, myopic and ahistorical. > this sounds like a traditional government project problem -- susceptibility to corruption, vanity, hubris etc. said the person on a web forum (the web comes from CERN, a gov project) over the internet (the internet comes from DARPA, a gov project) on a computer (ever heard of the ENIAC? a gov project) Tech bros mouthing off off-topicly about the government is the most tedious and boring thing ever. https://techpinions.com/its-not-just-the-internet-how-government-built-the-computer-industry/8104 https://techpinions.com/its-not-just-the-internet-how-govern...

Jedd 6y ago
> Amen. Not just bad faith; ignorant, myopic and ahistorical. Referring to GP's wikipedia reference, can you explain the two 'for unknown reasons' on a) why the original (Canadian) contract was not engaged, and b) the Turkish project was not engaged. What precisely was ashistorical about any of my post? > > this sounds like a traditional government project problem -- susceptibility to corruption, vanity, hubris etc. > said the person on a web forum (the web comes from CERN, a gov project) over the internet (the internet comes from DARPA, a gov project) on a computer (ever heard of the ENIAC? a gov project) I really am bewildered. Are you claiming that because I'm using the Internet I am not authorised to claim that any government project in any country at any time is beyond questioning? > Tech bros mouthing off off-topicly about the government is the most tedious and boring thing ever. Goodness. I'm sorry you're bored, I'm not a tech bro, claims of poorly run projects within the land of the pure isn't off-topic to the claims made.
- igravious 6y ago
  Please go grind your axe somewhere else.
  - Jedd 6y ago
    I'm assuming that since axes weren't government inventions that we're allowed to talk about them?

Jedd 6y ago

> > what can go wrong when you You're mis-quoting me. Is this intentional? I understand paraphrasing, but there's better (and more accurate) ways of doing that. > I don't know why you're trying to turn this into an "obviously govt can't do anything" point. There are plenty of very well-run governments who would have .. FWIW it wasn't a 'no government can do anything' claim. I have no doubt that there are a number of government agencies that can do things. The fact that this particular project delivered a measurable 20% of projected outcomes is the point. If you have some alternative interpretations of this outcome, they'd be very welcome. > And no doubt there's any number of private companies who would have screwed up just as badly. Are you suggesting I can't claim something is bad -- because something else would be just as bad? > Trying to tar the entire idea of government with Pakistan's performance is pretty bad faith IMO. This is a bold leap, and no faith is involved.