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If you have a look at "legal immigrant that lived here their entire lives is a real <demonym>" the US goes say down in support. It's clear they see it as a pur

If you have a look at "legal immigrant that lived here their entire lives is a real <demonym>" the US goes say down in support. It's clear they see it as a purely legal status, not necessarily as acceptance in a society. That survey probably conflates ethnicity and nationality, as many countries use the same word for both. Like Hungary for example. PS: There's no way 50% of Brits think gaining citizenship doesn't make you British, unless they don't speak English. That's what the word means!

pjc50 6y ago
> There's no way 50% of Brits think gaining citizenship doesn't make you British, unless they don't speak English. That's what the word means! That's what you think the word means, but a lot of people use "British" and "English" as ethnicity descriptors, and standard language on survey forms includes "white British" as an ethnicity. I can quite believe that 50% of the population thinks that gaining citizenship still makes you an immigrant; you could probably find a large support for "being born in Britain to nonwhite parents doesn't make you British", and look what happened to Shamina Begum. (Just to be clear, this is all racism)
- iso947 6y ago
  I wouldn’t be surprised if it is 52%
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  I have heard a horrible joke, for which the punch line was "now I'm Blitish." That joke is part of the reason I lump Airstrip One in with Oceania. (we have our own problems with integration, but as far as I can tell, they diminish greatly in the second generation. Schools are a powerful integrator.) And to Al-Khwarizmi's point in a neighbouring thread: I much prefer living in a society where people will interrupt their rant to me about "those foreigners" to help a head-cover-wearing dark-skinned mother put her pram on the train and then blithely resume where they left off. That dissonance is hypocrisy in the right direction. "Even a child makes himself known by his doings."
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pjc50 6y ago

> There's no way 50% of Brits think gaining citizenship doesn't make you British, unless they don't speak English. That's what the word means! That's what you think the word means, but a lot of people use "British" and "English" as ethnicity descriptors, and standard language on survey forms includes "white British" as an ethnicity. I can quite believe that 50% of the population thinks that gaining citizenship still makes you an immigrant; you could probably find a large support for "being born in Britain to nonwhite parents doesn't make you British", and look what happened to Shamina Begum. (Just to be clear, this is all racism)

iso947 6y ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if it is 52%
082349872349872 6y ago
I have heard a horrible joke, for which the punch line was "now I'm Blitish." That joke is part of the reason I lump Airstrip One in with Oceania. (we have our own problems with integration, but as far as I can tell, they diminish greatly in the second generation. Schools are a powerful integrator.) And to Al-Khwarizmi's point in a neighbouring thread: I much prefer living in a society where people will interrupt their rant to me about "those foreigners" to help a head-cover-wearing dark-skinned mother put her pram on the train and then blithely resume where they left off. That dissonance is hypocrisy in the right direction. "Even a child makes himself known by his doings."

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