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Focusing on the "cancel culture" is, IMHO, putting the cart in front of the horse. It is a by-product of a society where a cop can murder an African American i

Focusing on the "cancel culture" is, IMHO, putting the cart in front of the horse. It is a by-product of a society where a cop can murder an African American in broad daylight and (in most cases) suffer no consequences. If you can't trust the society to not murder you, why would you refrain from tearing down anything you don't like? When the society doesn't serve justice, people will implement "justice" with their own hands, with often bloody consequences. Thousands lost their heads during the French revolution: I'm sure many of them didn't deserve it. People died and lost their homes during the American Revolution, and during the Civil War: I'm sure many of them didn't deserve it, either. I'm no big fan of the so-called "cancel culture", but justice is the only way I see that can rein it in.

thaumasiotes 6y ago
> It is a by-product of a society where a cop can murder an African American in broad daylight and (in most cases) suffer no consequences. A cop can murder anyone in broad daylight and, in most cases, suffer no consequences; there's nothing specific about African Americans.
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AnthonyMouse 6y ago
The probability for a black person of being killed by the police in the US is approximately 0.0005%. That's the probability of being killed (most commonly because you pulled a weapon on a cop), not the probability of being murdered, which is at least an order of magnitude lower than that. There shouldn't be anybody getting murdered by the police. It's totally unreasonable. But it is in actual fact extremely uncommon.
- cookie_monsta 6y ago
  It might be worth considering that murdered-on-tape-in-broad-daylight is at the extreme end of the spectrum of violence - both direct and indirect - that minorities experience throughout their lives. Otherwise you might end up with the belief that a black person's experience of the USA is only 0.0005% different to that of a white one's.
  - darawk 6y ago
    I think the point is that, though police violence is terrible and should absolutely be corrected, trying to summarize the United States with it is incredibly reductionist.
    - cookie_monsta 6y ago
      Maybe. Or maybe the point is that for some people systemic racism isn't just another abstract problem that doesn't really affect them every single day of their lives.
      - darawk 6y ago
        It seems to me that's what's happening in this thread is privileged people with no experience of systemic racism telling Filipino veterans how they ought to feel about the country they fought for. The people with the concrete experience are speaking, and HN commenters are telling them they're bad and wrong and should be more mad. Seems strange, in light of the prevalence of the word 'listen' of late.
        hootbootscoot 6y ago
        You had me, then you lost me. Hubris and the unwillingness to comprehend real problems and the desire to cover them up with "SHUT UP IT"S GREAT!" won't go down well. What I'm seeing is more apologism for wrongful historical actions, perhaps in RESPONSE to what you described, but at this point it's become an "AMERICA IS GREAT SO SHUT UP"
thatoneuser 6y ago
Oh get off it. Out of all the dangers in the US, death by cop is extremely low. You're much more likely to be killed by a black person than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Let's keep perspective here.
specialist 6y ago
I honestly have no idea what "cancel culture" is. I've been fired, expelled, shushed, shunned, ghosted, excluded, ignored, plagiarized, mocked, insulted, attacked, divorced, blocked. Publicly and privately. Such is the life of the rebel, the truthsayer. Every nail that sticks up is gonna get pounded down. Daring to point out the emperor is naked is an unforgivable offense. This is normal. Receiving criticism generally means you're saying something interesting. I'd hate to be so boring that I'm not even worth criticizing. FYI, Socrates was "canceled", and we're still talking about him. Further, society should "cancel" the trolls, heathens, hate mongers. That's what society is for. Filters are important. -- Edit: Counterpoint's "Canceling" is a much smarter, useful, timely treatise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjMPJVmXxV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjMPJVmXxV8

thaumasiotes 6y ago

> It is a by-product of a society where a cop can murder an African American in broad daylight and (in most cases) suffer no consequences. A cop can murder anyone in broad daylight and, in most cases, suffer no consequences; there's nothing specific about African Americans.

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AnthonyMouse 6y ago

The probability for a black person of being killed by the police in the US is approximately 0.0005%. That's the probability of being killed (most commonly because you pulled a weapon on a cop), not the probability of being murdered, which is at least an order of magnitude lower than that. There shouldn't be anybody getting murdered by the police. It's totally unreasonable. But it is in actual fact extremely uncommon.

cookie_monsta 6y ago
It might be worth considering that murdered-on-tape-in-broad-daylight is at the extreme end of the spectrum of violence - both direct and indirect - that minorities experience throughout their lives. Otherwise you might end up with the belief that a black person's experience of the USA is only 0.0005% different to that of a white one's.
- darawk 6y ago
  I think the point is that, though police violence is terrible and should absolutely be corrected, trying to summarize the United States with it is incredibly reductionist.
  - cookie_monsta 6y ago
    Maybe. Or maybe the point is that for some people systemic racism isn't just another abstract problem that doesn't really affect them every single day of their lives.
    - darawk 6y ago
      It seems to me that's what's happening in this thread is privileged people with no experience of systemic racism telling Filipino veterans how they ought to feel about the country they fought for. The people with the concrete experience are speaking, and HN commenters are telling them they're bad and wrong and should be more mad. Seems strange, in light of the prevalence of the word 'listen' of late.
      - hootbootscoot 6y ago
        You had me, then you lost me. Hubris and the unwillingness to comprehend real problems and the desire to cover them up with "SHUT UP IT"S GREAT!" won't go down well. What I'm seeing is more apologism for wrongful historical actions, perhaps in RESPONSE to what you described, but at this point it's become an "AMERICA IS GREAT SO SHUT UP"

thatoneuser 6y ago

Oh get off it. Out of all the dangers in the US, death by cop is extremely low. You're much more likely to be killed by a black person than a black person is to be killed by a cop. Let's keep perspective here.

specialist 6y ago

I honestly have no idea what "cancel culture" is. I've been fired, expelled, shushed, shunned, ghosted, excluded, ignored, plagiarized, mocked, insulted, attacked, divorced, blocked. Publicly and privately. Such is the life of the rebel, the truthsayer. Every nail that sticks up is gonna get pounded down. Daring to point out the emperor is naked is an unforgivable offense. This is normal. Receiving criticism generally means you're saying something interesting. I'd hate to be so boring that I'm not even worth criticizing. FYI, Socrates was "canceled", and we're still talking about him. Further, society should "cancel" the trolls, heathens, hate mongers. That's what society is for. Filters are important. -- Edit: Counterpoint's "Canceling" is a much smarter, useful, timely treatise https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjMPJVmXxV8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjMPJVmXxV8