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> Census data indicate White population has shrunk since 2010 Why is this the first bullet point? Why a focus on White people? Why do you care HN? The only ot

> Census data indicate White population has shrunk since 2010 Why is this the first bullet point? Why a focus on White people? Why do you care HN? The only other place I see stuff like this is when it’s used as an alt-right talking point, or by white-supremacist mass-shooters who write about ‘The Great Replacement’ [1] [1] https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/white-supremacist-great-replacement/ https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/white-supremacist-...

crocodiletears 6y ago
Back in high-school, I had a (white) history teacher that made it a whole unit in her class. Her thesis was that white people were the only thing in America holding back progress, and that when the US was majority minority we'd reach an inflection point where 'we' (progressives) would be able to implement policies that might absolve the country of its sins, and tied it all into the MLK arc of history quote. Looking back now, I can't help but wonder if it didn't drive a few of my classmates to some of the more reactionary and racist politics on the right.
- magicsmoke 6y ago
  Real or not, perceived persecution gives one hell of a dopamine rush.
- at_a_remove 6y ago
  I had two of those. One was particularly fixated on how the Japanese were going to bury us. They don't call it "the long march through the institutions" for nothing. The idea that one should get into a position of power to teach a select portion of children that, because of their ancestry, they have a sin for which they must work their whole lives to atone for does call for a reaction. At least with the religious, you can be saved by Jesus or whatever, but for this group, you are always guilty, by virtue of your skin color.
- rayiner 6y ago
  This is the progressive “demographic destiny” fever dream. Non-whites aren’t that progressive. For example, non-whites are much more religious than whites. Just 35% of white people say that belief in God is “necessary to be moral” versus 55% of Hispanic people and 63% of black people. That’s particularly remarkable because the median white person is 42 the median black person is 30, and the median Hispanic person is just 28. Religious belief increases with age, so black and Hispanic people in the age groups that vote heavily are likely even more religious compared to whites. Hispanic people, meanwhile, are quite conservative on criminal justice issues. They are consistently more conservative than white people when it comes to ending things like mandatory minimums for drug crimes. Again, this is remarkable considering the age distributions. It’s very interesting to look at polls of Hispanic people’s’ opinions with respect to policing and the George Floyd protests: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/7msyzunum9/tabs_HP_Police_Reform_20200608.pdf https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/7msyzunum9/tabs_HP_Police_Reform... 8% of both Hispanic and white people say the system needs “no improvements” compared to 3% of black people. Just 21 and 22% of Hispanic people and white people, respectively, say the police system is “not sound” and “needs significant changes” versus 45% of black people. On nearly every policing issue, Hispanic people are a bit more liberal than white people, but I’m not even sure that difference would remain if accounting for age differences. On the economic front, asians and Hispanics are close to white people in capitalism versus socialism, with just about a third of each group supporting socialism: https://www.cato.org/blog/59-americans-have-favorable-views-capitalism-59-have-unfavorable-views-socialism https://www.cato.org/blog/59-americans-have-favorable-views-.... Again, an interesting result given that support for socialism goes down significantly with age, and both Hispanics and Asians are significantly younger than whites. Right now, a lot of conservative people of color are forced into a coalition with increasingly radical white progressives due to real and perceived Republican racism. When that pressure disappears, I think you’ll see a reshuffling of the coalitions. I can already see the seeds of this happening. My parents are Bangladeshi immigrants. They’ve voted Democrat in every selection since they became naturalized citizens. They voted for Hilary Clinton not because she was the lesser of two evils, but because they liked her. They’re the people who overturned the Sanders/Warren applecart when they got around to tuning into the Democratic primary. My mom explained to me today what she thinks makes America great. “You can drive to an intersection at 1 am and if there is a red light, people will stop. Even if the streets are totally empty, people will stop and wait for the green light.” She is worried about the protests and said “if we aren’t going to have law and order in America why shouldn’t I go back to Bangladesh?” My dad is the more progressive of the two. He’s a Clinton Democrat who likes that Bill cherry picked the best parts of the Republican agenda. He is alarmed at the Warren/Sanders wing and was very nervous when everyone thought Biden was done. His take on the idea that billionaires shouldn’t exist: “that’s stupid.” He’s upset that people are lobbying to change the name of the high school I went to (Thomas Jefferson in Virginia). But he is convinced that the Clinton/Biden/Obama camp will hold, and says “America is an established country, you won’t see radical change.”
econcon 6y ago
White people are on average will have more socioeconomic freedom, so less reasons to walk around in a band or associate with anyone for survival value. This naturally leads to drop in birth rate. Poor people have more reasons to band together, pool their money to afford nicer things. And they've more reproductive pressure because of this reasons, so they are bound to grow population wise. This is seen nearly everywhere even in places where there are no good social weflare programs like India. It's a curse that comes with freedom, individualism and prosperity - you've end up with no reasons to reproduce or find it very difficult to associate with someone because it seems so limiting.
- sumanthvepa 6y ago
  India's birthrates have been falling for a few decades now. South India is actually rapidly ageing. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/wealth/personal-finance-news/will-india-get-old-before-it-gets-rich/articleshow/73868172.cms?from=mdr https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/wealth/personal-finance...
  - econcon 6y ago
    Ofc, I am aware of it - I am only comparing poor Vs rich. Privileged Vs underprivileged. Not comparing countries with other countries.
- mech422 6y ago
  If you can find a way to have nicer things by having more (expensive) children, I'm sure the world would love to hear it... I've heard of having children described as a 'profitable' venture.
  - econcon 6y ago
    If having kids is profitable or not is open debate. Most people I know would love to have kids but they don't want to have them with a wrong person. And what is considered "wrong" have changed over time. Many people want to have kids on their own terms, not the terms of their partner. They want to have zero compromise in personal freedom - so they don't takers for that offer resulting in them not having any kids.

crocodiletears 6y ago

Back in high-school, I had a (white) history teacher that made it a whole unit in her class. Her thesis was that white people were the only thing in America holding back progress, and that when the US was majority minority we'd reach an inflection point where 'we' (progressives) would be able to implement policies that might absolve the country of its sins, and tied it all into the MLK arc of history quote. Looking back now, I can't help but wonder if it didn't drive a few of my classmates to some of the more reactionary and racist politics on the right.

magicsmoke 6y ago
Real or not, perceived persecution gives one hell of a dopamine rush.
at_a_remove 6y ago
I had two of those. One was particularly fixated on how the Japanese were going to bury us. They don't call it "the long march through the institutions" for nothing. The idea that one should get into a position of power to teach a select portion of children that, because of their ancestry, they have a sin for which they must work their whole lives to atone for does call for a reaction. At least with the religious, you can be saved by Jesus or whatever, but for this group, you are always guilty, by virtue of your skin color.
rayiner 6y ago
This is the progressive “demographic destiny” fever dream. Non-whites aren’t that progressive. For example, non-whites are much more religious than whites. Just 35% of white people say that belief in God is “necessary to be moral” versus 55% of Hispanic people and 63% of black people. That’s particularly remarkable because the median white person is 42 the median black person is 30, and the median Hispanic person is just 28. Religious belief increases with age, so black and Hispanic people in the age groups that vote heavily are likely even more religious compared to whites. Hispanic people, meanwhile, are quite conservative on criminal justice issues. They are consistently more conservative than white people when it comes to ending things like mandatory minimums for drug crimes. Again, this is remarkable considering the age distributions. It’s very interesting to look at polls of Hispanic people’s’ opinions with respect to policing and the George Floyd protests: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/7msyzunum9/tabs_HP_Police_Reform_20200608.pdf https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/7msyzunum9/tabs_HP_Police_Reform... 8% of both Hispanic and white people say the system needs “no improvements” compared to 3% of black people. Just 21 and 22% of Hispanic people and white people, respectively, say the police system is “not sound” and “needs significant changes” versus 45% of black people. On nearly every policing issue, Hispanic people are a bit more liberal than white people, but I’m not even sure that difference would remain if accounting for age differences. On the economic front, asians and Hispanics are close to white people in capitalism versus socialism, with just about a third of each group supporting socialism: https://www.cato.org/blog/59-americans-have-favorable-views-capitalism-59-have-unfavorable-views-socialism https://www.cato.org/blog/59-americans-have-favorable-views-.... Again, an interesting result given that support for socialism goes down significantly with age, and both Hispanics and Asians are significantly younger than whites. Right now, a lot of conservative people of color are forced into a coalition with increasingly radical white progressives due to real and perceived Republican racism. When that pressure disappears, I think you’ll see a reshuffling of the coalitions. I can already see the seeds of this happening. My parents are Bangladeshi immigrants. They’ve voted Democrat in every selection since they became naturalized citizens. They voted for Hilary Clinton not because she was the lesser of two evils, but because they liked her. They’re the people who overturned the Sanders/Warren applecart when they got around to tuning into the Democratic primary. My mom explained to me today what she thinks makes America great. “You can drive to an intersection at 1 am and if there is a red light, people will stop. Even if the streets are totally empty, people will stop and wait for the green light.” She is worried about the protests and said “if we aren’t going to have law and order in America why shouldn’t I go back to Bangladesh?” My dad is the more progressive of the two. He’s a Clinton Democrat who likes that Bill cherry picked the best parts of the Republican agenda. He is alarmed at the Warren/Sanders wing and was very nervous when everyone thought Biden was done. His take on the idea that billionaires shouldn’t exist: “that’s stupid.” He’s upset that people are lobbying to change the name of the high school I went to (Thomas Jefferson in Virginia). But he is convinced that the Clinton/Biden/Obama camp will hold, and says “America is an established country, you won’t see radical change.”

econcon 6y ago

White people are on average will have more socioeconomic freedom, so less reasons to walk around in a band or associate with anyone for survival value. This naturally leads to drop in birth rate. Poor people have more reasons to band together, pool their money to afford nicer things. And they've more reproductive pressure because of this reasons, so they are bound to grow population wise. This is seen nearly everywhere even in places where there are no good social weflare programs like India. It's a curse that comes with freedom, individualism and prosperity - you've end up with no reasons to reproduce or find it very difficult to associate with someone because it seems so limiting.

sumanthvepa 6y ago
India's birthrates have been falling for a few decades now. South India is actually rapidly ageing. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/wealth/personal-finance-news/will-india-get-old-before-it-gets-rich/articleshow/73868172.cms?from=mdr https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/wealth/personal-finance...
- econcon 6y ago
  Ofc, I am aware of it - I am only comparing poor Vs rich. Privileged Vs underprivileged. Not comparing countries with other countries.
mech422 6y ago
If you can find a way to have nicer things by having more (expensive) children, I'm sure the world would love to hear it... I've heard of having children described as a 'profitable' venture.
- econcon 6y ago
  If having kids is profitable or not is open debate. Most people I know would love to have kids but they don't want to have them with a wrong person. And what is considered "wrong" have changed over time. Many people want to have kids on their own terms, not the terms of their partner. They want to have zero compromise in personal freedom - so they don't takers for that offer resulting in them not having any kids.