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NYC made masks law on April 15. Germany somewhere around a week later. > I don't see how there's harm in the policy when it could mean literally saving million

by trhway 6y ago

NYC made masks law on April 15. Germany somewhere around a week later. > I don't see how there's harm in the policy when it could mean literally saving millions of lives. there is no harm. I wear my. Even though all the facts and math shows that it doesn't make any noticeable difference at this point. >At best, your assumptions still means we need to accept just under a million deaths accept or no accept, covid doesn't care. Anyway, we have already "accepted" it by letting it develop into the current scale. I think original Fauci deaths estimates - up to 250K - made under obvious political pressure to voice lower numbers than he'd do otherwise - is pretty close. From the current 20M+ we'd get 3-4x with death rate falling, thus we'd get into 250K-500K range. I don't see how masks or lockdowns, which haven't been able to stop us from the 10000x jump - tens/hundreds cases into tens of millions - are going to stop us from the 3-4x or even 10x (if the 10x were possible in the current situation which it isn't because the herd immunity threshold looks to be significantly lower)

adjkant 6y ago
> NYC made masks law on April 15. Germany somewhere around a week later. And you left off that NYC's cases dropped the entire time those mask policies were in effect. We didn't isolate for it as the lockdown was in place, but there's at the very least a positive correlation, and the lack of spike from the protests supports that too. I don't see why you jump to defeatism from that evidence. You're assuming people in most of the US paid attention to the laws and advisories. In Florida for example, mask usage was incredibly low and has caused the spike there. Same for Texas. We don't know if masks would stop the initial jump because we didn't use them. All evidence from other countries points to the conclusion that they do help in a meaningful way. If you're saying you don't believe the American populace is capable of following instructions, you might be right, but if we actually enforced and practiced mask policies, it very much appears it would make a meaningful difference.
- trhway 6y ago
  >And you left off that NYC's cases dropped the entire time those mask policies were in effect. you're right. I somehow was under impression that the peak cases were a month later there. Lets see. I'm still really not optimistic giving the current scale of the spread.

by trhway 6y ago

adjkant 6y ago

> NYC made masks law on April 15. Germany somewhere around a week later. And you left off that NYC's cases dropped the entire time those mask policies were in effect. We didn't isolate for it as the lockdown was in place, but there's at the very least a positive correlation, and the lack of spike from the protests supports that too. I don't see why you jump to defeatism from that evidence. You're assuming people in most of the US paid attention to the laws and advisories. In Florida for example, mask usage was incredibly low and has caused the spike there. Same for Texas. We don't know if masks would stop the initial jump because we didn't use them. All evidence from other countries points to the conclusion that they do help in a meaningful way. If you're saying you don't believe the American populace is capable of following instructions, you might be right, but if we actually enforced and practiced mask policies, it very much appears it would make a meaningful difference.

trhway 6y ago
>And you left off that NYC's cases dropped the entire time those mask policies were in effect. you're right. I somehow was under impression that the peak cases were a month later there. Lets see. I'm still really not optimistic giving the current scale of the spread.