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I know very little about unions but I feel like it is a dirty word. A very "us versus them" type of idea. Companies don't start out wanting to mistreat people.

I know very little about unions but I feel like it is a dirty word. A very "us versus them" type of idea. Companies don't start out wanting to mistreat people. Companies grow in the market they are in, and the conditions are set by their competitors. Standing up for "I want to work less, make more, get better benefits" just isn't competitive if your competitor isn't doing it. Strong-arming your employer almost never seems like a good idea.

morsch 6y ago
That's not an issue if the competitor's workers are in the same union and are fighting for the same collective agreement.
jjj123 6y ago
You say “us vs them” like it’s at all inaccurate. Owners have every incentive to make their employees work more for less. Unions just balance that power dynamic.
- em-bee 6y ago
  it is very unfortunate that owners have such an incentive. they shoudn't. in germany for example, much of what the unions have fought for eventually became law, giving the same benefits to everyone, and not just union members, making the unions less important. the problem really is the adverserial nature of the relationship. a cooperative relationship between employees (with or without unions) and employers would be beneficial to every one.
fredsanford 6y ago
Please go work in an Amazon Warehouse for some amount of time and let us know your feelings then.
pizzazzaro 6y ago
When your employer caves, and the competition doesnt? Suddenly nobody in that industry with self-respect wants to work anywhere but there. If you think this doesnt affect any bottom line but your employer's? I think you misunderstand how people work. CostCo is one of the fastest growing retail businesses around! With or without Covid-19. They pay workers enough to care about the company. Does your boss pay you like that?

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I know very little about unions but I feel like it is a dirty word. A very "us versus them" type of idea. Companies don't start out wanting to mistreat people.

by MuffinFlavored 6y ago

morsch 6y ago
That's not an issue if the competitor's workers are in the same union and are fighting for the same collective agreement.
jjj123 6y ago
You say “us vs them” like it’s at all inaccurate. Owners have every incentive to make their employees work more for less. Unions just balance that power dynamic.
- em-bee 6y ago
  it is very unfortunate that owners have such an incentive. they shoudn't. in germany for example, much of what the unions have fought for eventually became law, giving the same benefits to everyone, and not just union members, making the unions less important. the problem really is the adverserial nature of the relationship. a cooperative relationship between employees (with or without unions) and employers would be beneficial to every one.
fredsanford 6y ago
Please go work in an Amazon Warehouse for some amount of time and let us know your feelings then.
pizzazzaro 6y ago
When your employer caves, and the competition doesnt? Suddenly nobody in that industry with self-respect wants to work anywhere but there. If you think this doesnt affect any bottom line but your employer's? I think you misunderstand how people work. CostCo is one of the fastest growing retail businesses around! With or without Covid-19. They pay workers enough to care about the company. Does your boss pay you like that?