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Yes. And some people are illiberal. Some people don't like the conflict and confusion and disruption of a liberal democracy; they'd rather a consensus of "peopl

Yes. And some people are illiberal. Some people don't like the conflict and confusion and disruption of a liberal democracy; they'd rather a consensus of "people like us". And bad things happen when they support a leader who promises to make things simple. This is not a left vs right thing, it's a liberty vs autocracy thing. If the popular autocrats win, they punish the people who have "mindsets that are different from" their supporters.

z3ncyberpunk 6y ago
> This is not a left vs right thing, it's a liberty vs autocracy thing. If the popular autocrats win, they punish the people who have "mindsets that are different from" their supporters. ... Idk why you chose to use liberals in your example when their push for woke political correctness is nothing short of autocratic thought control.
- esyir 6y ago
  He's probably talking about the principal of liberty. Turns out branding works really well to muddy natural language
- sukilot 6y ago
  Parent was using the original meaning of the word "liberal" not the modern mainly US meaning of "left wing" (which was called liberal because a long time ago it was largely about making freedom of thought, religion, and commerce legal)
kofejnik 6y ago
> Some people don't like the conflict and confusion and disruption of a liberal democracy; they'd rather a consensus of "people like us". ... they punish the people who have "mindsets that are different from" their supporters. I'm sorry but I need to whip out this quote from SSC once again: "Here is a story I heard from a friend, which I will alter slightly to protect the innocent. A prestigious psychology professor signed an open letter in which psychologists condemned belief in innate sex differences. My friend knew that this professor believed such differences existed, and asked him why he signed the letter. He said that he expected everyone else in his department would sign it, so it would look really bad if he didn’t. My friend asked why he expected everyone else in his department to sign it, and he said “Probably for the same reason I did”. From SSC, of course

z3ncyberpunk 6y ago

> This is not a left vs right thing, it's a liberty vs autocracy thing. If the popular autocrats win, they punish the people who have "mindsets that are different from" their supporters. ... Idk why you chose to use liberals in your example when their push for woke political correctness is nothing short of autocratic thought control.

esyir 6y ago
He's probably talking about the principal of liberty. Turns out branding works really well to muddy natural language
sukilot 6y ago
Parent was using the original meaning of the word "liberal" not the modern mainly US meaning of "left wing" (which was called liberal because a long time ago it was largely about making freedom of thought, religion, and commerce legal)

kofejnik 6y ago

> Some people don't like the conflict and confusion and disruption of a liberal democracy; they'd rather a consensus of "people like us". ... they punish the people who have "mindsets that are different from" their supporters. I'm sorry but I need to whip out this quote from SSC once again: "Here is a story I heard from a friend, which I will alter slightly to protect the innocent. A prestigious psychology professor signed an open letter in which psychologists condemned belief in innate sex differences. My friend knew that this professor believed such differences existed, and asked him why he signed the letter. He said that he expected everyone else in his department would sign it, so it would look really bad if he didn’t. My friend asked why he expected everyone else in his department to sign it, and he said “Probably for the same reason I did”. From SSC, of course