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The things you mentioned are almost all inversely related to better healthcare outcomes, to grossly oversimplify a contributing factor. * Bigger homes means yo

The things you mentioned are almost all inversely related to better healthcare outcomes, to grossly oversimplify a contributing factor. * Bigger homes means you feel more comfortable being lazy and spending all your time indoors * Bigger cars means you are incentivized to drive 20 miles to a restaurant in comfort instead of walking over to a closer one * Bigger TVs means you spend all day "watching the game" instead of going out and playing a sport. Once again, these are grossly oversimplified, but should drive home the central point that spending on some things can actually worsen outcomes of others.

epistasis 6y ago
> Bigger cars means you are incentivized to drive 20 miles to a restaurant in comfort instead of walking over to a closer one For many (most?) people in the US, the idea of walking anywhere of consequence from their home is simply ludicrous. Restaurant, convenience store, grocery store, all are completely inaccessible except by car. Suburb planning has explicitly disallowed that sort of living for most people. It has also made it nearly impossible to serve neighborhoods with any sort of reasonable public transit.
- vishnugupta 6y ago
  > Restaurant, convenience store, grocery store, all are completely inaccessible except by car. This particular aspect of USA struck me as quite bizarre whenever I visited on business trips. More so as I’m from India where it’s almost a given that things that you need on a day to day basis (grocery, bakery, pharmacy, convenience store etc.,) are available within walking distance. Apart from an opportunity to get some fresh air it’s also a good way to interact with my neighborhood community. I assumed this is how it’d be in any developed country until I moved to Netherlands. It’s not too different from India at all in that respect here. So now I wonder, what factors lead to that kind of city planning in US. It was a real ordeal for me to get a meal outside in US, had to either walk for an hour or order taxi service (those were pre-Uber days).
  - rgblambda 6y ago
    Initially U.S cities were built according to a grid plan (grids being the most efficient means of urban planning at the time). This also made public transport easier. Grids however do not work well for cars. In response to increasing car ownership, T junctions were introduced to improve flow of traffic. The car also made it possible for people to live far from their place of work, thus the popularisation of suburbs. Other countries followed suit.
    - adjkant 6y ago
      > Other countries followed suit. What other countries? The US is very much an outlier. The only one I can think of is maybe Australia?
      - rgblambda 6y ago
        The UK and Republic of Ireland.
  - lotsofpulp 6y ago
    > So now I wonder, what factors lead to that kind of city planning in US. A car requirement (and hence minimum fuel purchasing requirement) helps keep lower socioeconomic classes out of higher socioeconomic classes’ neighborhoods. This results in marked improvements in economic performance of children in school, as the public school students are determined by the area they are in, and spacing things out results in a populace with a minimum level of financial security who can afford to travel further. The original impetus may not have been exactly that, as people generally like their space anyway, but it’s affects are well known. Historically, I’m sure there was also a racial component to it, with white people moving to more expensive areas that non white people couldn’t afford.
FpUser 6y ago
* Bigger homes means you feel more comfortable being lazy and spending all your time indoors I call BS on that. Accordingly to this logic homeless must be the healthiest people. That aside, rich people (who also happen to have bigger houses) actually exercise more than the poor. * Bigger cars means you are incentivized to drive 20 miles to a restaurant in comfort instead of walking over to a closer one You telling that person with the smaller car would rather walk to the store (often VERY long walk in the US)? I call another BS here. * Bigger TVs means you spend all day "watching the game" instead of going out and playing a sport. Same argument as for size of the houses. I think you pulled these arguments right out of the place where the sun does not shine.
- dan-robertson 6y ago
  I think this is a reasonable criticism. The post you’re replying to appeals to common sense but I don’t see much reason to believe it would be borne out by facts
ezconnect 6y ago
The way the country is designed you really need to drive to buy a simple thing.

epistasis 6y ago

> Bigger cars means you are incentivized to drive 20 miles to a restaurant in comfort instead of walking over to a closer one For many (most?) people in the US, the idea of walking anywhere of consequence from their home is simply ludicrous. Restaurant, convenience store, grocery store, all are completely inaccessible except by car. Suburb planning has explicitly disallowed that sort of living for most people. It has also made it nearly impossible to serve neighborhoods with any sort of reasonable public transit.

vishnugupta 6y ago
> Restaurant, convenience store, grocery store, all are completely inaccessible except by car. This particular aspect of USA struck me as quite bizarre whenever I visited on business trips. More so as I’m from India where it’s almost a given that things that you need on a day to day basis (grocery, bakery, pharmacy, convenience store etc.,) are available within walking distance. Apart from an opportunity to get some fresh air it’s also a good way to interact with my neighborhood community. I assumed this is how it’d be in any developed country until I moved to Netherlands. It’s not too different from India at all in that respect here. So now I wonder, what factors lead to that kind of city planning in US. It was a real ordeal for me to get a meal outside in US, had to either walk for an hour or order taxi service (those were pre-Uber days).
- rgblambda 6y ago
  Initially U.S cities were built according to a grid plan (grids being the most efficient means of urban planning at the time). This also made public transport easier. Grids however do not work well for cars. In response to increasing car ownership, T junctions were introduced to improve flow of traffic. The car also made it possible for people to live far from their place of work, thus the popularisation of suburbs. Other countries followed suit.
  - adjkant 6y ago
    > Other countries followed suit. What other countries? The US is very much an outlier. The only one I can think of is maybe Australia?
    - rgblambda 6y ago
      The UK and Republic of Ireland.
- lotsofpulp 6y ago
  > So now I wonder, what factors lead to that kind of city planning in US. A car requirement (and hence minimum fuel purchasing requirement) helps keep lower socioeconomic classes out of higher socioeconomic classes’ neighborhoods. This results in marked improvements in economic performance of children in school, as the public school students are determined by the area they are in, and spacing things out results in a populace with a minimum level of financial security who can afford to travel further. The original impetus may not have been exactly that, as people generally like their space anyway, but it’s affects are well known. Historically, I’m sure there was also a racial component to it, with white people moving to more expensive areas that non white people couldn’t afford.

FpUser 6y ago

* Bigger homes means you feel more comfortable being lazy and spending all your time indoors I call BS on that. Accordingly to this logic homeless must be the healthiest people. That aside, rich people (who also happen to have bigger houses) actually exercise more than the poor. * Bigger cars means you are incentivized to drive 20 miles to a restaurant in comfort instead of walking over to a closer one You telling that person with the smaller car would rather walk to the store (often VERY long walk in the US)? I call another BS here. * Bigger TVs means you spend all day "watching the game" instead of going out and playing a sport. Same argument as for size of the houses. I think you pulled these arguments right out of the place where the sun does not shine.

dan-robertson 6y ago
I think this is a reasonable criticism. The post you’re replying to appeals to common sense but I don’t see much reason to believe it would be borne out by facts

ezconnect 6y ago

The way the country is designed you really need to drive to buy a simple thing.