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>Well at least under Google AMP, the pages loaded on time. Yeah, because Google is cheating.

• gorgoiler 6y ago
  By the way, I was referring to a common English aphorism about punctuality on 20th century Italian railways: https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2018/11/03/making-trains-run-on-time https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2018/11/03/...
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  • yesenadam 6y ago
    It seems I have to "register" with the Economist to read that.
    • catalogia 6y ago
      It's a reference to "Say what you like about Mussolini, he made the trains run on time." This quip is generally used sarcastically or wryly. "Say what you like about [something that's seriously bad], at least [frivolous matter] has improved."
      • jolux 6y ago
        As far as I know it’s not even true of Mussolini though.
        • catalogia 6y ago
          Yes well it's not really true of AMP either (using a strict content blocker beats AMP load times.) The meme of 'Mussolini making trains run on time' is often used in cases where the trivial upside is dubious at best.
      • pacifika 6y ago
        Actually it’s a joke about concentration camps and it’s in bad taste and offensive.
        • catalogia 6y ago
          > Actually it’s a joke about concentration camps No it isn't. Gorgoiler says "a common English aphorism about punctuality on 20th century Italian railways" and links to https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2018/11/03/making-trains-run-on-time https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2018/11/03/... Both are clearly about Mussolini making trains run on time (or rather, not actually doing so.) Wikipedia describes the origins of the quip as such: > Mussolini was keen to take the credit for major public works in Italy, particularly the railway system.[109] His reported overhauling of the railway network led to the popular saying, "Say what you like about Mussolini, he made the trains run on time."[109] Kenneth Roberts, journalist and novelist, wrote in 1924: "The difference between the Italian railway service in 1919, 1920 and 1921 and that which obtained during the first year of the Mussolini regime was almost beyond belief. The cars were clean, the employees were snappy and courteous, and trains arrived at and left the stations on time — not fifteen minutes late, and not five minutes late; but on the minute.[110]" The dubious premise of Mussolini being responsible for reliable trains predates the Holocaust. As for "it’s in bad taste and offensive", I agree that comparing fascism to systemd is in bad taste.
• ehsankia 6y ago
  How is providing a framework which forces greedy publisher to keep their websites light "cheating".
  • gsich 6y ago
    Chrome (at least on Android) preloads AMP sites after searching. It doesn't do it for other sites. I would classify that as cheating.
    • ehsankia 6y ago
      It can't do that on other sites, it's a technical limitation. Part of the reason why they push AMP and provide every website with free CDN hosting is exactly to enable caching. If the "purpose" of AMP counts as cheating, then sure? Once signed exchanges become a thing, that may change, but as seen in this thread, there's a lot of push back for that.
      • gsich 6y ago
        An arbitrary technical limitation. You could preload any site you want. Google wants to push AMP, so they only preload those. Well of course it's cheating if you compare load times between pre-loaded sites vs. not preloaded ones. And then argue that "AMP is faster", which is obviously wrong because the conditions are not the same.