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Attracting people who agree with your community's standards to join your community, while hinting that maybe other people might not be interested, is perfectly

Attracting people who agree with your community's standards to join your community, while hinting that maybe other people might not be interested, is perfectly reasonable. That's... pretty much how communities work.

Barrin92 6y ago
yes but you don't need a disinct technical foundation that is incompatible with your surroundings. If you want to go play at the chess club you can simply go there and everyone is interested in chess, you don't need to start a new chess players only micro-nation that keeps all the other people out, in the middle of the forest where bloated cars can't get to. That'd be pretty unecessary. In fact if you want to attract new people, that's a really bad idea
- vertex-four 6y ago
  Solderpunk has explained the issues with specifying a safe subset of HTML, the article has been linked elsewhere in this thread. If you don't want to use a Gemini browser to access it, you can use this link: https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemini.circumlunar.space/users/solderpunk/cornedbeef/why-not-just-use-a-subset-of-http-and-html.gmi https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemini.circumlunar.space/users... This would seem to be a similar sort of issue to when people say "come chat on IRC", or use a mailing list to communicate about a project, or whatever else - you're not going to use those if all you ever want to use is a web browser. And that's ok in my book. I'll hang out with the people who do want to use those tools.
  - dsr_ 6y ago
    Except, of course, that there are IRC clients accessed through browsers, mail through browsers, Usenet through browsers... so you don't actually exclude people that way. If Gemini catches on, someone will write an add-on for Firefox that reads it. And then it's just part of the Web that is fast and looks a little different. And that link is a long-winded way of saying "It's good to put an artificial barrier in the way."
    - vertex-four 6y ago
      When you want to create a space that is qualitatively different from its surroundings, it is good to put an artificial barrier in the way.
    - acdw 6y ago
      There's actually already portal.mozz.us as well as proxy.vulpes.one, both of which are Gemini "portals" ala gopher.floodgap.com. I actually began to try and write an addon to open gemini:// links in Firefox based on Overbite, but I couldn't figure it out (and I'd have to change the gemini protocol to something like gemini+web, due to Firefox limitations). Just because you can do that, does not make it part of the Web -- it's still a different space. Those portals are basically web-based clients to the protocol, which means they're still bound by the rules of the protocol -- they're not going to have JS in them, for example.

Barrin92 6y ago

yes but you don't need a disinct technical foundation that is incompatible with your surroundings. If you want to go play at the chess club you can simply go there and everyone is interested in chess, you don't need to start a new chess players only micro-nation that keeps all the other people out, in the middle of the forest where bloated cars can't get to. That'd be pretty unecessary. In fact if you want to attract new people, that's a really bad idea

vertex-four 6y ago
Solderpunk has explained the issues with specifying a safe subset of HTML, the article has been linked elsewhere in this thread. If you don't want to use a Gemini browser to access it, you can use this link: https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemini.circumlunar.space/users/solderpunk/cornedbeef/why-not-just-use-a-subset-of-http-and-html.gmi https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemini.circumlunar.space/users... This would seem to be a similar sort of issue to when people say "come chat on IRC", or use a mailing list to communicate about a project, or whatever else - you're not going to use those if all you ever want to use is a web browser. And that's ok in my book. I'll hang out with the people who do want to use those tools.
- dsr_ 6y ago
  Except, of course, that there are IRC clients accessed through browsers, mail through browsers, Usenet through browsers... so you don't actually exclude people that way. If Gemini catches on, someone will write an add-on for Firefox that reads it. And then it's just part of the Web that is fast and looks a little different. And that link is a long-winded way of saying "It's good to put an artificial barrier in the way."
  - vertex-four 6y ago
    When you want to create a space that is qualitatively different from its surroundings, it is good to put an artificial barrier in the way.
  - acdw 6y ago
    There's actually already portal.mozz.us as well as proxy.vulpes.one, both of which are Gemini "portals" ala gopher.floodgap.com. I actually began to try and write an addon to open gemini:// links in Firefox based on Overbite, but I couldn't figure it out (and I'd have to change the gemini protocol to something like gemini+web, due to Firefox limitations). Just because you can do that, does not make it part of the Web -- it's still a different space. Those portals are basically web-based clients to the protocol, which means they're still bound by the rules of the protocol -- they're not going to have JS in them, for example.