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Gemini's creator solderpunk wrote about this here [1]. [1] gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/users/solderpunk/cornedbeef/why-not-just-use-a-subset-of-http-and-
by DC-3 6y ago
Gemini's creator solderpunk wrote about this here [1].
[1] gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/users/solderpunk/cornedbeef/why-not-just-use-a-subset-of-http-and-html.gmi
- corobo 6y agoI’m sure that would be an interesting read, is it available on a usable protocol?
- vertex-four 6y agoYou can read it with a Gemini browser, along with a lot of other content! There's a list of clients at https://gemini.circumlunar.space/clients.html https://gemini.circumlunar.space/clients.html, along with SSH and HTTP bridges.
- corobo 6y agoAha nice one! I’m still not sold on it (you’re allowed to do websites without js/css!), but the effort and skill involved is commendable
- cjallen88 6y agoTrue, but before you visit that website, you don't know anything about how the site was implemented, or what JS is going to run, or whethere there will be a big autoplay video advert, etc. When you visit a gemini URL, you know how it's going to serve you a limited capability, text based document, styled according to your own rules.
- emersion 6y agohttps://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemini.circumlunar.space/users/solderpunk/cornedbeef/why-not-just-use-a-subset-of-http-and-html.gmi https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemini.circumlunar.space/users...
- acdw 6y agohttps://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemini.circumlunar.space/users/solderpunk/cornedbeef/why-not-just-use-a-subset-of-http-and-html.gmi https://portal.mozz.us/gemini/gemini.circumlunar.space/users...
- joosters 6y agoI don't think he makes his point very well or convincingly. You could, if you wanted, make a plugin for a browser that blocks non-simple tags, blocks cookies, blocks images, blocks scripts, etc, and I suspect he's wrong to say that '...such an undertaking would be an order of magnitude more work than writing a fully featured Gemini client'. He goes on to say 'Supposing you had such a browser, what would you do with it? The overwhelming majority of websites would not render correctly on it.' - A very good point, but equally applicable to a Gemini browser. IMO, they have confused the network protocol with the presentation. You don't need to drop HTTP in order to change the way websites look. Likewise, you don't have to implement HTTP features that you don't like (e.g. cookies). This just strikes me as another mistaken belief that rewriting code from scratch will solve all your problems.
- DC-3 6y agoThe proposition of Gemini is that it creates a separate, deliberately incompatible, ringfenced part of the internet that is self-sufficient; not operating as a subset of a larger whole but as something sovereign and self-contained. This fosters a community spirit and allows one to remain 'within the fence' in a way that would be very hard to do if inhabiting simply a subset of the existing web.
- daffy 6y agoI found I could read this in EMACS with a package called Elpher, but there's a smiley or something I couldn't see.
- daffy 6y agoMaybe the specification should prohibit smilies.