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So if they raped someone would that be okay? Where's the line you draw in the sand that maybe we shouldn't be making these people think anything they do is okay

So if they raped someone would that be okay? Where's the line you draw in the sand that maybe we shouldn't be making these people think anything they do is okay, they can get away with being a piece of shit? The reason we have shitty cops is because precincts and unions ENABLE them. If we enable these kids to keep doing what they do without consequence then they will keep pushing the envelope of what is acceptable until they are a horrible human being and either a felon or a lawyer/politician/cop. Aside from that college admissions is a very long process w/ tons of essays, etc and character evaluation is the whole reason, the words you say when nobody's looking can have huge impact on your 'character assessment' so best to not say it or be damn sure nobody's recording.

manigandham 6y ago
Rape is a serious and terrible crime. Did these kids rape someone? Are you actually confused about whether that should be over the line? If you have to create a strawman with the very first sentence than what's there to discuss? There's a difference between reckless speech when young and vile criminal actions. I already said that admittance can be revoked but it's the standard of character and the filter of morality that I'm questioning. I don't see how this solves anything when you're taking a few posts that apparently now overrule the entire admissions process which you said was for determining character. So what's the point of the process then? Was it inaccurate? What about when the definition of offensive changes in 6 months? What about those who have no social media but are truly bad? I'm afraid all I see is the overreaction to a political climate and, at best, trying to treat a symptom than actually approaching anything representing real issues.
- gremlinsinc 6y ago
  There's a difference between a kid flailign his arms listening to music weighing 140 lbs because he has autism and a hardened criminal as well, didn't stop cops from killing him for the crime of being black. Had these kids been kicked to the curb and shunned early in life who became cops maybe they'd still be in shitty dead-end jobs, and not killing people and getting paid for it. So yeah, it does matter what you say on social media when you're 17. Otherwise, lets completely end the whole application process why do grades matter, or accomplishments in school? Because they seem to think character matters. I'm not saying there is as I don't have statistics backing it up, but it seems highly likely if you did a study of rapists and home abuser overlay that on top of racists you'd have a venn diagram w/ some major overlap. But the fact of the matter is, why risk a kid coming to school being racist and disenfranchising other students, when there's 10 others of similar merit on the waiting list? They could maybe be less 'vocal' about it, so maybe it's not all over the news and really ruin records, but they can say 'sorry we decided to go a different direction'.
  - manigandham 6y ago
    What does that example have to do with this? Why are you talking about cops? You entire argument relies on these kids already being hardcore racists instead of being misjudged reckless teenagers. If they smoke weed when young, are they hardcore drug abusers too? Would you say the same about kids in very rural or urban inner city areas that are predisposed to certain perspectives? Should they be doomed because they had no other exposure? College admissions already has an intensive character test. Why do these posts overrule that test? Regardless of admissions, you're losing all nuance and expecting people to be perfect from day 0. Such people don't exist, and all you'll end up doing is creating more hate, divisiveness and letting in people who hide themselves better.
    - gremlinsinc 6y ago
      > Why do these posts overrule that test? Regardless of admissions, you're losing all nuance and expecting people to be perfect from day 0. Such people don't exist, and all you'll end up doing is creating more hate, divisiveness and letting in people who hide themselves better. I guess your bar for perfection is super low, mine is not being a racist/nazi/white supremacist. I mean, I thought that was pretty low, that should just be common sense at this point, it's 2020, I honestly thought we'd grown out of this by now. Nothing has changed since 1960, not a damn thing.
      - manigandham 6y ago
        You have again fallen back on your omniscient assumption that these kids are hardcore racist. How do you claim to know just how terrible everyone is with such little context or data? But then again if you think things haven't gotten better since 1960 then I'm not sure what there is to discuss. I'd tell you to lookup something called the Obama presidency but I'm afraid that wouldn't cut it against your ever-shifting sense of moral superiority.

manigandham 6y ago

Rape is a serious and terrible crime. Did these kids rape someone? Are you actually confused about whether that should be over the line? If you have to create a strawman with the very first sentence than what's there to discuss? There's a difference between reckless speech when young and vile criminal actions. I already said that admittance can be revoked but it's the standard of character and the filter of morality that I'm questioning. I don't see how this solves anything when you're taking a few posts that apparently now overrule the entire admissions process which you said was for determining character. So what's the point of the process then? Was it inaccurate? What about when the definition of offensive changes in 6 months? What about those who have no social media but are truly bad? I'm afraid all I see is the overreaction to a political climate and, at best, trying to treat a symptom than actually approaching anything representing real issues.

gremlinsinc 6y ago
There's a difference between a kid flailign his arms listening to music weighing 140 lbs because he has autism and a hardened criminal as well, didn't stop cops from killing him for the crime of being black. Had these kids been kicked to the curb and shunned early in life who became cops maybe they'd still be in shitty dead-end jobs, and not killing people and getting paid for it. So yeah, it does matter what you say on social media when you're 17. Otherwise, lets completely end the whole application process why do grades matter, or accomplishments in school? Because they seem to think character matters. I'm not saying there is as I don't have statistics backing it up, but it seems highly likely if you did a study of rapists and home abuser overlay that on top of racists you'd have a venn diagram w/ some major overlap. But the fact of the matter is, why risk a kid coming to school being racist and disenfranchising other students, when there's 10 others of similar merit on the waiting list? They could maybe be less 'vocal' about it, so maybe it's not all over the news and really ruin records, but they can say 'sorry we decided to go a different direction'.
- manigandham 6y ago
  What does that example have to do with this? Why are you talking about cops? You entire argument relies on these kids already being hardcore racists instead of being misjudged reckless teenagers. If they smoke weed when young, are they hardcore drug abusers too? Would you say the same about kids in very rural or urban inner city areas that are predisposed to certain perspectives? Should they be doomed because they had no other exposure? College admissions already has an intensive character test. Why do these posts overrule that test? Regardless of admissions, you're losing all nuance and expecting people to be perfect from day 0. Such people don't exist, and all you'll end up doing is creating more hate, divisiveness and letting in people who hide themselves better.
  - gremlinsinc 6y ago
    > Why do these posts overrule that test? Regardless of admissions, you're losing all nuance and expecting people to be perfect from day 0. Such people don't exist, and all you'll end up doing is creating more hate, divisiveness and letting in people who hide themselves better. I guess your bar for perfection is super low, mine is not being a racist/nazi/white supremacist. I mean, I thought that was pretty low, that should just be common sense at this point, it's 2020, I honestly thought we'd grown out of this by now. Nothing has changed since 1960, not a damn thing.
    - manigandham 6y ago
      You have again fallen back on your omniscient assumption that these kids are hardcore racist. How do you claim to know just how terrible everyone is with such little context or data? But then again if you think things haven't gotten better since 1960 then I'm not sure what there is to discuss. I'd tell you to lookup something called the Obama presidency but I'm afraid that wouldn't cut it against your ever-shifting sense of moral superiority.