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As much as I want to believe your reasoning, I just can’t fathom how Chinese copycats could actually yield next generation tech...have you had a chance to searc

As much as I want to believe your reasoning, I just can’t fathom how Chinese copycats could actually yield next generation tech...have you had a chance to search “Chinese structure collapses” on YouTube? I believe there are over a hundred videos showcasing their ingenuity.

justicezyx 6y ago
Yes copycat cannot innovate. But Eric Schmidt believe China are no longer copying: """ "I have carried the prejudices about China in my years working with them," he said. "That they're very good at copying things, that they're very good at organising things, that they throw large numbers of people at it. But they're not going to do anything new. They're very, very good at stealing, if you will, our stuff. Those prejudices need to be thrown out. "The Chinese are just as good, and maybe better, in key areas of research and innovation as the West. "They're putting more money into it. They are putting it in a different way, it is state-directed in a way that is different from the West. We need to get our act together to compete." """
Aperocky 6y ago
So if you do believe that out of a billion people and all they can do is copy, I don't know if that is prejudice or racism. Also, have you had a chance to search 'Chinese structure built' on youtube? You won't find anything because it's not newsworthy. Every now and then something gets stolen and people are upset. When Chinese companies actually invents something you'd never hear about it - or you're quick to jump on the sanction bandwagon, e.g. tiktok, huawei.
tanilama 6y ago
The Chinese can't innovate or create is really just a relic of 90's racism+orientalism. Seriously, only if you believe somehow the Chinese people have different brain structure, there is absolutely no reason why they can't do what West can do. Yes Chinese wasn't doing super innovative stuff back like 10 years ago. Reason? Because they don't have to. There is easier money to make at a lower segment of the market that fits them better. The China back then is under developed, spending in R&D isn't something that would benefit them than simply importing last-gen Western technology. Now they have educated themselves and clambbed up the value chain, that is when the innovations become profitable to them. The West still enjoys some advantage, in certain key areas, but it is diminishing, and diminishing fast.
- jbob2000 6y ago
  It’s not about the Chinese people but about their government. Smart people don’t want to contribute to the regime and leave the country. This is where the comment “the Chinese can’t innovate” comes from - it’s about the political regime being unable to cultivate innovation, not the people lacking the faculties to do it. The fact that China, the country, has to steal all their tech, while Chinese people contribute to innovation all around the world proves my point.
  - 411111111111111 6y ago
    Not everyone leaves. They got families and friends after all. And once this becomes too much of an issue, I'd wager they'll just blacklist anyone leaving from ever coming back. That's gonna make almost everyone stay where they are.
  - justicezyx 6y ago
    "Smart people don’t want to contribute to the regime and leave the country." You seriously think there is only a few million "smart people" in China (about the same number as the people who go aboard for their advanced study or business)?
- coolgeek 6y ago
  Don't be so quick to dismiss all of this as "racism+orientalism". There is, indeed, a fair degree of that. But there are parallels to the situation with Japan in the late 80s to early 90s when everybody thought that Japan was going to own America (purchasing it piece by piece and/or out-innovating American companies). I don't understand the dynamics here well enough to say how justified any of the arguments are. But we've been down a similar road before, and it's not just racism.
fomine3 6y ago
Anyway, Look real companies like DJI

justicezyx 6y ago

Yes copycat cannot innovate. But Eric Schmidt believe China are no longer copying: """ "I have carried the prejudices about China in my years working with them," he said. "That they're very good at copying things, that they're very good at organising things, that they throw large numbers of people at it. But they're not going to do anything new. They're very, very good at stealing, if you will, our stuff. Those prejudices need to be thrown out. "The Chinese are just as good, and maybe better, in key areas of research and innovation as the West. "They're putting more money into it. They are putting it in a different way, it is state-directed in a way that is different from the West. We need to get our act together to compete." """

Aperocky 6y ago

So if you do believe that out of a billion people and all they can do is copy, I don't know if that is prejudice or racism. Also, have you had a chance to search 'Chinese structure built' on youtube? You won't find anything because it's not newsworthy. Every now and then something gets stolen and people are upset. When Chinese companies actually invents something you'd never hear about it - or you're quick to jump on the sanction bandwagon, e.g. tiktok, huawei.

tanilama 6y ago

The Chinese can't innovate or create is really just a relic of 90's racism+orientalism. Seriously, only if you believe somehow the Chinese people have different brain structure, there is absolutely no reason why they can't do what West can do. Yes Chinese wasn't doing super innovative stuff back like 10 years ago. Reason? Because they don't have to. There is easier money to make at a lower segment of the market that fits them better. The China back then is under developed, spending in R&D isn't something that would benefit them than simply importing last-gen Western technology. Now they have educated themselves and clambbed up the value chain, that is when the innovations become profitable to them. The West still enjoys some advantage, in certain key areas, but it is diminishing, and diminishing fast.

jbob2000 6y ago
It’s not about the Chinese people but about their government. Smart people don’t want to contribute to the regime and leave the country. This is where the comment “the Chinese can’t innovate” comes from - it’s about the political regime being unable to cultivate innovation, not the people lacking the faculties to do it. The fact that China, the country, has to steal all their tech, while Chinese people contribute to innovation all around the world proves my point.
- 411111111111111 6y ago
  Not everyone leaves. They got families and friends after all. And once this becomes too much of an issue, I'd wager they'll just blacklist anyone leaving from ever coming back. That's gonna make almost everyone stay where they are.
- justicezyx 6y ago
  "Smart people don’t want to contribute to the regime and leave the country." You seriously think there is only a few million "smart people" in China (about the same number as the people who go aboard for their advanced study or business)?
coolgeek 6y ago
Don't be so quick to dismiss all of this as "racism+orientalism". There is, indeed, a fair degree of that. But there are parallels to the situation with Japan in the late 80s to early 90s when everybody thought that Japan was going to own America (purchasing it piece by piece and/or out-innovating American companies). I don't understand the dynamics here well enough to say how justified any of the arguments are. But we've been down a similar road before, and it's not just racism.

fomine3 6y ago

Anyway, Look real companies like DJI