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100% the Americans won't actually obey to a mandatory quarantine for 14 days. People with the ability to charter a private jet for a cross-Atlantic jaunt is the

100% the Americans won't actually obey to a mandatory quarantine for 14 days. People with the ability to charter a private jet for a cross-Atlantic jaunt is the definition of "flight risk". On land, how do you enforce such a quarantine? You'd be kidding yourself if you believe they won't go out and hire a taxi the minute the health officials confirm their check in, and the next day they'd be at all the beaches. The minute police or military try to confine them, they'd go all self righteous and call the embassy. It's better that customs turn them back. Also, reading between the lines, the rest of the passengers didn't leave because of "solidarity" - it's most likely their itinerary is for a weekend trip and they didn't plan to stay for 2 weeks+ - they would have been planning to hit a few other islands maybe move on to Greece within a few days. When told they'd have to stay in one place for 2 weeks, they'd rather move on to their next destination (whether that's back to the US or to some place else with easier customs, we'd have to look at the flight plan to see where the plane actually went). These kinds of tourist trips are absolutely the worst since they are vectors trying to move fast - with no time allocated for quarantines / incubation at all.

JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago
By that logic, why permit the New Zealanders to quarantine, or the English?
- DangitBobby 6y ago
  I think their logic is that Americans in particular cannot be trusted to take it seriously or to self-sacrifice for the safety of others. Which, if you look at the response to COVID 19 from a large portion of the country, should be fairly evident. I say this as an American.
  - manigandham 6y ago
    Flying in a private jet isolated from other travelers is a good argument for the safety of others. Discriminating against a specific nationality for medical quarantines in a pandemic is not.
  - yokaze 6y ago
    I think, it's a bit less arbitrary and the reverse of what you said. The criterias are the daily number of infections (comparable or less than the EU mean), the testing capability to actually estimate the infections, and the rate of change in infections (past the inflection point). AFAIK, the covid-19 response in the US as a whole fails on each account. Possibly due to the reasons you cited. Finally, the restrictions are reciprocal. Probably not pertinent in this case.
    - DangitBobby 6y ago
      "Their" in my comment refers to the author of the original ancestor comment, not Italy. Nonetheless, your response was informative.
  - masonic 6y ago
    Americans in particular cannot be trusted to take it seriously or to self-sacrifice for the safety of others Like in World Wars I or II. Totally selfish on their part.
    - colinb 6y ago
      Do you mean the Americans who were in the German American Bund? Or the Americans who went to Britain to join the Royal Air Force? Or the American's who campaigned for years to stay out of the war? Or the Americans who campaigned to provide aid to Britain and Russia when the Russians were doing most of the fighting and the dying? Or the Americans who spied for the Russians? Or the Americans who island hopped across the Pacific killing and being killed? Or the Americans who treated returning black servicemen as subhuman? Or the Americans who landed in France and fought their way to Berlin? America is a big place, with a lot of people, and a lot of opinions. Some of them are kind and generous and thoughtful. Some of them are mean-spirited and bigoted and hateful. And sometimes (and this is the bit I find most difficult to handle, though I think I'm learning) one person can be a little of any of these at different times in the same day, or different years in the same lifetime. Put it another way. I think you applied emphasis to one part of the GPs posting without giving equal weight to their other words. Do your future self a favor. Treat the GP with the same generosity that you'd like everyone else to treat you.

JMTQp8lwXL 6y ago

By that logic, why permit the New Zealanders to quarantine, or the English?

DangitBobby 6y ago
I think their logic is that Americans in particular cannot be trusted to take it seriously or to self-sacrifice for the safety of others. Which, if you look at the response to COVID 19 from a large portion of the country, should be fairly evident. I say this as an American.
- manigandham 6y ago
  Flying in a private jet isolated from other travelers is a good argument for the safety of others. Discriminating against a specific nationality for medical quarantines in a pandemic is not.
- yokaze 6y ago
  I think, it's a bit less arbitrary and the reverse of what you said. The criterias are the daily number of infections (comparable or less than the EU mean), the testing capability to actually estimate the infections, and the rate of change in infections (past the inflection point). AFAIK, the covid-19 response in the US as a whole fails on each account. Possibly due to the reasons you cited. Finally, the restrictions are reciprocal. Probably not pertinent in this case.
  - DangitBobby 6y ago
    "Their" in my comment refers to the author of the original ancestor comment, not Italy. Nonetheless, your response was informative.
- masonic 6y ago
  Americans in particular cannot be trusted to take it seriously or to self-sacrifice for the safety of others Like in World Wars I or II. Totally selfish on their part.
  - colinb 6y ago
    Do you mean the Americans who were in the German American Bund? Or the Americans who went to Britain to join the Royal Air Force? Or the American's who campaigned for years to stay out of the war? Or the Americans who campaigned to provide aid to Britain and Russia when the Russians were doing most of the fighting and the dying? Or the Americans who spied for the Russians? Or the Americans who island hopped across the Pacific killing and being killed? Or the Americans who treated returning black servicemen as subhuman? Or the Americans who landed in France and fought their way to Berlin? America is a big place, with a lot of people, and a lot of opinions. Some of them are kind and generous and thoughtful. Some of them are mean-spirited and bigoted and hateful. And sometimes (and this is the bit I find most difficult to handle, though I think I'm learning) one person can be a little of any of these at different times in the same day, or different years in the same lifetime. Put it another way. I think you applied emphasis to one part of the GPs posting without giving equal weight to their other words. Do your future self a favor. Treat the GP with the same generosity that you'd like everyone else to treat you.