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When the US finally became a superpower, there were still Jim Crow laws and minorities were second class citizens that could be killed for looking at someone th

When the US finally became a superpower, there were still Jim Crow laws and minorities were second class citizens that could be killed for looking at someone the wrong way. It took decades for the US to change and for Civil Rights to truly take hold. It’s entirely possible the China we know today will be completely different once it’s a superpower.

dathinab 6y ago
Yes, China isn't all bad. Honestly while many of the methods of the CCP are condemnable or outright evil the goals they purse with it are often not. It's just that they have lost their humanity to some degree in a combination of bureaucracy, capitalism and nationalism. But even if it changes after becoming a superpower it will take time and drastic events. Most likely a insane number of lives would be lost (or "destroyed") before it. And the west pay a high price. Ironically we could say they will pay a high price for not keeping to their own moral standards... Also one problem is that with tech advancements traditionally observed dynamics about bad rulers being dethroned might not longer work.
thr3waw2ay0987 6y ago
Let’s be real, when has an authoritarian government ever let its own people drive social changes? That never happens because such reforms would be an existential threat to that very form of government. US institutions at least aspire to enable its society to affect social change. The only way china will change is if the government can no longer uphold the social contract (exchange of social liberties for quality of life increases) and its people forcibly change management.
vmception 6y ago
> It’s entirely possible the China we know today will be completely different once it’s a superpower. Yes, because everything that undermines its national unity will have been obliterated! In honor of Independence Day, here is some foreshadowing from the US Declaration of Independence and precursor to global hegemony after domestic stability following genocide He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. There is no history supporting a tendency for multicultural superpower status. There is one amorphous culture that rules with an iron fist until the other cultures conform to it or stop existing. We can try to make other countries act more enlightened in the 21st century, but it is only hypocritical and fails to consider the tolerances those places have maintained thus far.
2muchcoffeeman 6y ago
But as racist as America was/still is, a citizen can speak out and shit all over the government with no fear of retaliation and no fear of censorship. The way secular democratic countries are set up, change is possible.
- alfiedotwtf 6y ago
  > a citizen can speak out and shit all over the government with no fear of retaliation and no fear of censorship Tell that to the protestors shot with rubber bullets only a few weeks ago
- justicezyx 6y ago
  "speak out and shit all over the government" for what? Remember, democracy is for checking the power of the powerful, protect the weak, and enlighten the mass. I see neither US nor China achieve that in their government. And in terms of protecting the weak, China probably did a better job.

dathinab 6y ago

Yes, China isn't all bad. Honestly while many of the methods of the CCP are condemnable or outright evil the goals they purse with it are often not. It's just that they have lost their humanity to some degree in a combination of bureaucracy, capitalism and nationalism. But even if it changes after becoming a superpower it will take time and drastic events. Most likely a insane number of lives would be lost (or "destroyed") before it. And the west pay a high price. Ironically we could say they will pay a high price for not keeping to their own moral standards... Also one problem is that with tech advancements traditionally observed dynamics about bad rulers being dethroned might not longer work.

thr3waw2ay0987 6y ago

Let’s be real, when has an authoritarian government ever let its own people drive social changes? That never happens because such reforms would be an existential threat to that very form of government. US institutions at least aspire to enable its society to affect social change. The only way china will change is if the government can no longer uphold the social contract (exchange of social liberties for quality of life increases) and its people forcibly change management.

vmception 6y ago

> It’s entirely possible the China we know today will be completely different once it’s a superpower. Yes, because everything that undermines its national unity will have been obliterated! In honor of Independence Day, here is some foreshadowing from the US Declaration of Independence and precursor to global hegemony after domestic stability following genocide He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. There is no history supporting a tendency for multicultural superpower status. There is one amorphous culture that rules with an iron fist until the other cultures conform to it or stop existing. We can try to make other countries act more enlightened in the 21st century, but it is only hypocritical and fails to consider the tolerances those places have maintained thus far.

2muchcoffeeman 6y ago

But as racist as America was/still is, a citizen can speak out and shit all over the government with no fear of retaliation and no fear of censorship. The way secular democratic countries are set up, change is possible.

alfiedotwtf 6y ago
> a citizen can speak out and shit all over the government with no fear of retaliation and no fear of censorship Tell that to the protestors shot with rubber bullets only a few weeks ago
justicezyx 6y ago
"speak out and shit all over the government" for what? Remember, democracy is for checking the power of the powerful, protect the weak, and enlighten the mass. I see neither US nor China achieve that in their government. And in terms of protecting the weak, China probably did a better job.