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are they not responsible for their actions? Are you assuming they will grow out of these racist tendencies?

PlasticTank 6y ago
Let's just ban people who think differently from education, that will surely be a great boon to the country... It doesn't matter if they grow out of it or not, who are you to decide who gets education and who doesn't, I thought education was believed to a be universal right.
- gruez 6y ago
  >I thought education was believed to a be universal right. It is. Getting an education at a top tier college? Not so much. There's always university of phoenix.
- dabbernaught420 6y ago
  >It doesn't matter if they grow out of it or not Especially true considering that some of these people accused of wrongthink might actually be onto something. It's not a good idea to assume that popular views are certainly the correct ones.
knolax 6y ago
Yeah??? I remember so much of the media targeted towards me when I was that age involved being racist "as a joke". Most people grow out of it with age. I mean look at these 1920s racial stereotypes being pushed in a game made a couple of years ago[0] or this song made by a popular children's entertainer[1]. A 17 year old can not vote in national elections, can not drive without restrictions, can not enlist in the military, can not drink, and can not marry. Clearly society has decided that they have not finished developing as people. [0] https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Vadim_Bobrov https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Vadim_Bobrov [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B****_Lasagna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B****_Lasagna
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yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
> Are you assuming they will grow out of these racist tendencies? Yes? Did you leave college with the same beliefs you had when you arrived?
- leephillips 6y ago
  Although some of my beliefs were certainly refined and adjusted, for the most part, I would say, yes, I left college with the same beliefs I had when I arrived: racism is wrong and racist slurs are unacceptable. Let these racist brats work at McDonald’s.
  - yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
    ... Thereby ensuring that they will never even be exposed to any different ideas,and sticking them at the bottom of the social/economic latter so they can spend their lives blaming someone else (who will definitely be their in-group, right?).
    - leephillips 6y ago
      It’s a reasonable point of view—that universities perform a social good by admitting these racists, because the university experience might reform them. I guess that would mean that they should seek out more racists, and recruit them—because then they would be reforming more people, and helping society even more. But at some point you might get too many racists, and the normal students would be overburdened in their task of helping to expose them to different ideas. It will be difficult for the admissions committees to find the right balance: you want just the right number of racists.
rdiddly 6y ago
They're not responsible enough that we consider them adults, or let them vote, or let them join the military without parental consent. And if a high school kid can't grow out of racist tendencies, what is the point of all the marching and speeches and protesting and educating then? By that logic, not one mind can ever possibly change because racism is hereditary and permanent.
- ralmidani 6y ago
  Protests are inconvenient, that’s part of the reason they’re effective at getting people to question the status quo. Similarly, having admission rescinded is especially inconvenient for the people involved and will stimulate some of them (and those around them) to question their racist beliefs. If people renounce their racism, I am all for giving them a second chance. But giving racists the privilege of a top-tier education, often at the expense of non-racists who were denied that same privilege, all while the racists are unrepentant? Nope.
mancerayder 6y ago
> are they not responsible for their actions? Are you assuming they will grow out of these racist tendencies? Your alternative is to what, eliminate them from the Earth? As if the "racism" has become this permanent quality? This entire comment thread is extremely spooky to me. There's such a willingness to be mean-spirited in the name of equality it's downright terrifying. They're teenagers. You want to punish teenagers for comments, and have the consequences follow them for the rest of their lives? Is that just?

Let's just ban people who think differently from education, that will surely be a great boon to the country... It doesn't matter if they grow out of it or not, who are you to decide who gets education and who doesn't, I thought education was believed to a be universal right.

gruez 6y ago
>I thought education was believed to a be universal right. It is. Getting an education at a top tier college? Not so much. There's always university of phoenix.
dabbernaught420 6y ago
>It doesn't matter if they grow out of it or not Especially true considering that some of these people accused of wrongthink might actually be onto something. It's not a good idea to assume that popular views are certainly the correct ones.

knolax 6y ago

Yeah??? I remember so much of the media targeted towards me when I was that age involved being racist "as a joke". Most people grow out of it with age. I mean look at these 1920s racial stereotypes being pushed in a game made a couple of years ago[0] or this song made by a popular children's entertainer[1]. A 17 year old can not vote in national elections, can not drive without restrictions, can not enlist in the military, can not drink, and can not marry. Clearly society has decided that they have not finished developing as people. [0] https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Vadim_Bobrov https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Vadim_Bobrov [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B****_Lasagna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B****_Lasagna

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yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago

> Are you assuming they will grow out of these racist tendencies? Yes? Did you leave college with the same beliefs you had when you arrived?

leephillips 6y ago
Although some of my beliefs were certainly refined and adjusted, for the most part, I would say, yes, I left college with the same beliefs I had when I arrived: racism is wrong and racist slurs are unacceptable. Let these racist brats work at McDonald’s.
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
  ... Thereby ensuring that they will never even be exposed to any different ideas,and sticking them at the bottom of the social/economic latter so they can spend their lives blaming someone else (who will definitely be their in-group, right?).
  - leephillips 6y ago
    It’s a reasonable point of view—that universities perform a social good by admitting these racists, because the university experience might reform them. I guess that would mean that they should seek out more racists, and recruit them—because then they would be reforming more people, and helping society even more. But at some point you might get too many racists, and the normal students would be overburdened in their task of helping to expose them to different ideas. It will be difficult for the admissions committees to find the right balance: you want just the right number of racists.

rdiddly 6y ago

They're not responsible enough that we consider them adults, or let them vote, or let them join the military without parental consent. And if a high school kid can't grow out of racist tendencies, what is the point of all the marching and speeches and protesting and educating then? By that logic, not one mind can ever possibly change because racism is hereditary and permanent.

ralmidani 6y ago
Protests are inconvenient, that’s part of the reason they’re effective at getting people to question the status quo. Similarly, having admission rescinded is especially inconvenient for the people involved and will stimulate some of them (and those around them) to question their racist beliefs. If people renounce their racism, I am all for giving them a second chance. But giving racists the privilege of a top-tier education, often at the expense of non-racists who were denied that same privilege, all while the racists are unrepentant? Nope.

mancerayder 6y ago

> are they not responsible for their actions? Are you assuming they will grow out of these racist tendencies? Your alternative is to what, eliminate them from the Earth? As if the "racism" has become this permanent quality? This entire comment thread is extremely spooky to me. There's such a willingness to be mean-spirited in the name of equality it's downright terrifying. They're teenagers. You want to punish teenagers for comments, and have the consequences follow them for the rest of their lives? Is that just?