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(From Nathan's Twitter after this: https://mobile.twitter.com/NathanTankus/status/1278777095670370304 https://mobile.twitter.com/NathanTankus/status/1278777095

(From Nathan's Twitter after this: https://mobile.twitter.com/NathanTankus/status/1278777095670370304 https://mobile.twitter.com/NathanTankus/status/1278777095670...) > I do have a credential- the intersection of my whiteness, maleness and cisness. Wow, wasn't it just yesterday a post blew up about political correctness gone mad? I suppose Nathan wanted to get in first and "apologise" for his whiteness, before his rise to fame (which has coincided with the rise of a... particular socio-political movement) punishes him for it. Isn't it enough to just say "if you're good at something, you don't need a degree"?. But no. He took to Twitter to perpetuate the woke, self-denigrating culture of white Twitter to ensure that his success wasn't hampered by the mob. PC culture has reduced people to snivelling, grovelling shadows of themselves that can't think for themselves. Forget blind-hiring practices! Should we be putting disclaimers on our resumes that points out if we're a white cis-male so that a company can appropriately punish us for the sin of being born a particular sex and race?

whymauri 6y ago
Or - get this - he genuinely believes that and isn't playing some three-dimensional career chess contrivance.
- Thorentis 6y ago
  That's very likely. Nobody is immune from this trend. Despite his great accomplishments in a field in which you usually need a degree, he is now feeling guilty about how maybe he only achieved success because he was white. This is the 2020 version of imposter syndrome. Everybody feels imposter syndrome when they have unexpected success. This is the woke Twitter version of it.
  - soared 6y ago
    Or he recognizes that part of his success came down to skin color alone. That a black person who took the exact same actions as him would’ve come out less successful.
    - Thorentis 6y ago
      The only data people use to back this up is "how many black economists are there?". It's as if people's knowledge of statistics completely goes out the window when it comes to this issue. Show me a black person without a degree, with an equal or greater knowledge of economics than Nathan, and with a website and newsletter following, who was denied entry to conferences because of their skin color. You can't just pluck out one variable and compare them head to head. There are so many other variables that account for success: family support, educational background, financial position, work experience, etc. Boiling everything down to race is unhelpful and doesn't solve any problem.
      - Miner49er 6y ago
        > family support, educational background, financial position, All of which are harder to come by or worse on average for black Americans, because of the US's history of race-based slavery and racial discrimination.
        Thorentis 6y ago
        Not denying the history of slavery and discrimination, but [citation needed] for causal link to the modern day, and if there is a statistically significant difference in ascending the "social ladder" between poor, uneducated whites and poor, uneducated blacks.
        Miner49er 6y ago
        https://www.epi.org/blog/housing-discrimination-underpins-the-staggering-wealth-gap-between-blacks-and-whites/ https://www.epi.org/blog/housing-discrimination-underpins-th... https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/02/27/examining-the-black-white-wealth-gap/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/02/27/examining... There's a couple articles there's plenty more out there, just Google "racial wealth gap". IMO it is also just common sense, wealth is passed down from generation to generation and black Americans have never been given the opportunity to build much wealth until very recently (but are still held back by the judicial system). There's been very little/no wealth to pass down. This is compunded by the fact that the education system in the US is tied to property value. > statistically significant difference in ascending the "social ladder" between poor, uneducated whites and poor, uneducated blacks. I honestly haven't done much reading on that. Here's a study I found quicky though: https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353 https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353 I believe the best way to end racism is to address wealth inequality. This could help both poor black kids and poor white kids.
brbrodude 6y ago
This kind of rant is just as boring as any other that would be considered "PC" just for the sake of it and it works by the same logic of first and foremost not being charitable to what was intended/tried to be communicated to then deliberately making up wrong interpretation to try to conjure up ridicule, so yeah, tell me how is it not the same shit on an inverted signal? Seems though that he actually has something else to add rather just acting out butthurt or laying down The New Law, plus he also writes with some humility something which I grew up thinking it's a good thing. I'm not uncritical of "PC culture" or whatever you wanna call it, I call it left-moralism and I don't like it because it's also a lot of times entirely based on being uncharitable or purposefully misinterpreting others, which is no good for making sense of stuff, I do however care first about if there's truth on statements I may be reading/listening and second about if it brings me or others emotions in one way or another, and that I call: reading/listening.
- Thorentis 6y ago
  My rant wasn't about his intentions. He almost certainly had good intentions. I'm sad that his good nature has been corrupted by the current PC trend, and that he is suffering from imposter syndrome where he is attributing his success to his "whiteness".
  - brbrodude 6y ago
    When you read that much into a text, how can you be sure you're not projecting your own conceptions and stereotypes on it? It's impossible. Nobody really has access to the cogs running inside ppls minds, you're just claiming you know his ulterior motives. Plus, I'd have to assume that not only you have this special knowledge but that it surpasses the authors own words directly saying otherwise(1), sorry, I can't trust that thought and I do not follow your conclusions. I just don't buy it. I haven't talked about 'intentions' anywhere either, I criticized your reasoning and you restated your beliefs. More on what I meant by "uncharitableness" is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity (1): "This isn't to bemoan or disclaim my success or my hard work. The point is there are plenty of people who have worked just as hard as me, and many harder than me, who aren't having the success I am. It takes my social credentials to take a glidepath to the most interesting and advanced subjects." "I don't feel guilty for my success but I won't be satisfied until I see a Black trans person given the social license to do what I've done"

whymauri 6y ago

Or - get this - he genuinely believes that and isn't playing some three-dimensional career chess contrivance.

Thorentis 6y ago
That's very likely. Nobody is immune from this trend. Despite his great accomplishments in a field in which you usually need a degree, he is now feeling guilty about how maybe he only achieved success because he was white. This is the 2020 version of imposter syndrome. Everybody feels imposter syndrome when they have unexpected success. This is the woke Twitter version of it.
- soared 6y ago
  Or he recognizes that part of his success came down to skin color alone. That a black person who took the exact same actions as him would’ve come out less successful.
  - Thorentis 6y ago
    The only data people use to back this up is "how many black economists are there?". It's as if people's knowledge of statistics completely goes out the window when it comes to this issue. Show me a black person without a degree, with an equal or greater knowledge of economics than Nathan, and with a website and newsletter following, who was denied entry to conferences because of their skin color. You can't just pluck out one variable and compare them head to head. There are so many other variables that account for success: family support, educational background, financial position, work experience, etc. Boiling everything down to race is unhelpful and doesn't solve any problem.
    - Miner49er 6y ago
      > family support, educational background, financial position, All of which are harder to come by or worse on average for black Americans, because of the US's history of race-based slavery and racial discrimination.
      - Thorentis 6y ago
        Not denying the history of slavery and discrimination, but [citation needed] for causal link to the modern day, and if there is a statistically significant difference in ascending the "social ladder" between poor, uneducated whites and poor, uneducated blacks.
        Miner49er 6y ago
        https://www.epi.org/blog/housing-discrimination-underpins-the-staggering-wealth-gap-between-blacks-and-whites/ https://www.epi.org/blog/housing-discrimination-underpins-th... https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/02/27/examining-the-black-white-wealth-gap/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2020/02/27/examining... There's a couple articles there's plenty more out there, just Google "racial wealth gap". IMO it is also just common sense, wealth is passed down from generation to generation and black Americans have never been given the opportunity to build much wealth until very recently (but are still held back by the judicial system). There's been very little/no wealth to pass down. This is compunded by the fact that the education system in the US is tied to property value. > statistically significant difference in ascending the "social ladder" between poor, uneducated whites and poor, uneducated blacks. I honestly haven't done much reading on that. Here's a study I found quicky though: https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353 https://academic.oup.com/qje/article/135/2/711/5687353 I believe the best way to end racism is to address wealth inequality. This could help both poor black kids and poor white kids.

brbrodude 6y ago

This kind of rant is just as boring as any other that would be considered "PC" just for the sake of it and it works by the same logic of first and foremost not being charitable to what was intended/tried to be communicated to then deliberately making up wrong interpretation to try to conjure up ridicule, so yeah, tell me how is it not the same shit on an inverted signal? Seems though that he actually has something else to add rather just acting out butthurt or laying down The New Law, plus he also writes with some humility something which I grew up thinking it's a good thing. I'm not uncritical of "PC culture" or whatever you wanna call it, I call it left-moralism and I don't like it because it's also a lot of times entirely based on being uncharitable or purposefully misinterpreting others, which is no good for making sense of stuff, I do however care first about if there's truth on statements I may be reading/listening and second about if it brings me or others emotions in one way or another, and that I call: reading/listening.

Thorentis 6y ago
My rant wasn't about his intentions. He almost certainly had good intentions. I'm sad that his good nature has been corrupted by the current PC trend, and that he is suffering from imposter syndrome where he is attributing his success to his "whiteness".
- brbrodude 6y ago
  When you read that much into a text, how can you be sure you're not projecting your own conceptions and stereotypes on it? It's impossible. Nobody really has access to the cogs running inside ppls minds, you're just claiming you know his ulterior motives. Plus, I'd have to assume that not only you have this special knowledge but that it surpasses the authors own words directly saying otherwise(1), sorry, I can't trust that thought and I do not follow your conclusions. I just don't buy it. I haven't talked about 'intentions' anywhere either, I criticized your reasoning and you restated your beliefs. More on what I meant by "uncharitableness" is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity (1): "This isn't to bemoan or disclaim my success or my hard work. The point is there are plenty of people who have worked just as hard as me, and many harder than me, who aren't having the success I am. It takes my social credentials to take a glidepath to the most interesting and advanced subjects." "I don't feel guilty for my success but I won't be satisfied until I see a Black trans person given the social license to do what I've done"