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I have interacted with some people who insist being "forced" to wear a mask impinges their rights. My response is, you're right it does impinge your rights. Jus

I have interacted with some people who insist being "forced" to wear a mask impinges their rights. My response is, you're right it does impinge your rights. Just like your right to drink a lot of alcohol and drive your vehicle has been impinged because it was decided that my right to live is greater than your right to drink and drive. I'm a huge proponent of individual rights, but what often gets overlooked in these conversations is that my right to do something often conflicts with someone else's right to do something else.

xellisx 6y ago
I just post this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts
ryandrake 6y ago
The people I’ve seen who have a problem with masks are just mad that they are being told to do it. They even acknowledge that there is a good reason but won’t do it because authority figures are telling them to wear them. Total eight-year-old mentality in an adult.
- pbourke 6y ago
  Why was this downvoted? It’s exactly right. The mask opponents have a toddlers’ conception of freedom: “Mommy told me to do it so I’m going to throw a tantrum”
- thu2111 6y ago
  No, I hate mask wearing because it's illogical and being presented as "fact based", "caring for others" etc when this has no basis in reality. COVID-19 has turned out to be no more deadly than any other seasonal respiratory disease. Lockdowns were ineffective. The data on this is clear and gets clearer every day (though you won't find it reading the stories on HN of course). That means we should not be doing things any differently to other years. Which includes masks.
  - whatl3y 6y ago
    > The data on this is clear and gets clearer every day (though you won't find it reading the stories on HN of course). It's amazing how almost universally visceral, impulsive responses such as this fail to provide references to such data.
    - thu2111 6y ago
      Jeez, give me a break. I'm not "visceral" or "impulsive", that's just insulting. Scroll through my comment history. I've been posting links to facts on this for months. And they're publicly available and widely covered in some forums. Try these sites for a flavour: http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/ http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/ https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ https://hectordrummond.com/2020/06/29/this-is-what-we-shot-ourselves-in-the-foot-for/ https://hectordrummond.com/2020/06/29/this-is-what-we-shot-o... These links have a UK/Europe focus but the story is the same everywhere. Re: lockdown does nothing. Take a look at the analyses by the major investment banks. They're all reaching the same conclusions because the data is public and anyone can analyse them. No correlation between lockdown severity and course of disease.
      - whatl3y 6y ago
        Thanks for providing some references, if nothing else it shows a little effort to validate your points. And I wasn't claiming you yourself are visceral or impulsive, simply your referenceless/dataless claim-making comment appeared that way. Apologies for the misunderstanding, I just get frustrated at the ever-increasing amount of (usually) politically motivated counterpoints made on anything today without the slightest piece of data to support such claims.
sethammons 6y ago
The people i have talked with that are concerned with the loss of personal liberties are well aware we have to give up many liberties to live is a society. The part everyone ignores is that most of these people want the legal process followed and to not have rules made by non-checked executive order. They want to know that new rules are based on law and granted powers to rule makers. Just because this particular rule might make sense to you now (“i agree we should wear masks”) does not mean you will agree with the some future rule later. And for that, we have a process that makes new laws and gives powers to make executive decisions.

xellisx 6y ago

I just post this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobson_v._Massachusetts

ryandrake 6y ago

The people I’ve seen who have a problem with masks are just mad that they are being told to do it. They even acknowledge that there is a good reason but won’t do it because authority figures are telling them to wear them. Total eight-year-old mentality in an adult.

pbourke 6y ago
Why was this downvoted? It’s exactly right. The mask opponents have a toddlers’ conception of freedom: “Mommy told me to do it so I’m going to throw a tantrum”
thu2111 6y ago
No, I hate mask wearing because it's illogical and being presented as "fact based", "caring for others" etc when this has no basis in reality. COVID-19 has turned out to be no more deadly than any other seasonal respiratory disease. Lockdowns were ineffective. The data on this is clear and gets clearer every day (though you won't find it reading the stories on HN of course). That means we should not be doing things any differently to other years. Which includes masks.
- whatl3y 6y ago
  > The data on this is clear and gets clearer every day (though you won't find it reading the stories on HN of course). It's amazing how almost universally visceral, impulsive responses such as this fail to provide references to such data.
  - thu2111 6y ago
    Jeez, give me a break. I'm not "visceral" or "impulsive", that's just insulting. Scroll through my comment history. I've been posting links to facts on this for months. And they're publicly available and widely covered in some forums. Try these sites for a flavour: http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/ http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/ https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/ https://hectordrummond.com/2020/06/29/this-is-what-we-shot-ourselves-in-the-foot-for/ https://hectordrummond.com/2020/06/29/this-is-what-we-shot-o... These links have a UK/Europe focus but the story is the same everywhere. Re: lockdown does nothing. Take a look at the analyses by the major investment banks. They're all reaching the same conclusions because the data is public and anyone can analyse them. No correlation between lockdown severity and course of disease.
    - whatl3y 6y ago
      Thanks for providing some references, if nothing else it shows a little effort to validate your points. And I wasn't claiming you yourself are visceral or impulsive, simply your referenceless/dataless claim-making comment appeared that way. Apologies for the misunderstanding, I just get frustrated at the ever-increasing amount of (usually) politically motivated counterpoints made on anything today without the slightest piece of data to support such claims.

sethammons 6y ago

The people i have talked with that are concerned with the loss of personal liberties are well aware we have to give up many liberties to live is a society. The part everyone ignores is that most of these people want the legal process followed and to not have rules made by non-checked executive order. They want to know that new rules are based on law and granted powers to rule makers. Just because this particular rule might make sense to you now (“i agree we should wear masks”) does not mean you will agree with the some future rule later. And for that, we have a process that makes new laws and gives powers to make executive decisions.