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If you want products where you give the company money and they give you stuff - buy Apple. The "stuff" tends to come with artificial limitations so that in ord

If you want products where you give the company money and they give you stuff - buy Apple. The "stuff" tends to come with artificial limitations so that in order to use it effectively I have to give Apple even more money.

scarface74 6y ago
Which product comes with “artificial limitations” that force you to give Apple more money?
- orangecat 6y ago
  For iPhones, Lightning rather than USB-C, no headphone jacks, and inability to use software outside of the app store. For Macs, lack of post-purchase expandability, and it's getting gradually more difficult to run non-store software. Yes, you can come up with arguments why these things are actually good for users. But coincidentally the workarounds always end up with more revenue for Apple: AirPods, 30% commission on apps, inflated BTO upgrade prices...
  - scarface74 6y ago
    - you can buy extra lightning cables from anywhere at about the same price as usb c cables. - most modern high end cell phones aren’t coming with headphone jacks anymore. All iPhones come with a headphones - most high end laptops also don’t have internal expandability anymore. -you also don’t have to buy AirPods. You can buy any Bluetooth headphones - Google also charges the same 30% for apps. - the default is allow signed apps. Not apps from the store.
    - f1refly 6y ago
      - but then you have lightning cables and usb c cables. Yet another connector that's incompatible with everything else! - [citation needed]. High end android phones with headphone do exist, so you definitely have the choice to support those vendors. - most - bluetooth - f-droid, saving the day yet again. - the default. You can just enable that without having to do anything shady at all.
  - smnthermes 6y ago
    > and inability to use software outside of the app store Google wants browsers to be like OSes, because they can't directly compete with desktop OSes. This concept is incompatible with security and privacy, so Google's interests are more harmful (they fund Mozilla). Granular permissions don't solve the privacy issue, because denying them contributes to fingerprinting. Also, JIT compilers violate W^X.

scarface74 6y ago

Which product comes with “artificial limitations” that force you to give Apple more money?

orangecat 6y ago
For iPhones, Lightning rather than USB-C, no headphone jacks, and inability to use software outside of the app store. For Macs, lack of post-purchase expandability, and it's getting gradually more difficult to run non-store software. Yes, you can come up with arguments why these things are actually good for users. But coincidentally the workarounds always end up with more revenue for Apple: AirPods, 30% commission on apps, inflated BTO upgrade prices...
- scarface74 6y ago
  - you can buy extra lightning cables from anywhere at about the same price as usb c cables. - most modern high end cell phones aren’t coming with headphone jacks anymore. All iPhones come with a headphones - most high end laptops also don’t have internal expandability anymore. -you also don’t have to buy AirPods. You can buy any Bluetooth headphones - Google also charges the same 30% for apps. - the default is allow signed apps. Not apps from the store.
  - f1refly 6y ago
    - but then you have lightning cables and usb c cables. Yet another connector that's incompatible with everything else! - [citation needed]. High end android phones with headphone do exist, so you definitely have the choice to support those vendors. - most - bluetooth - f-droid, saving the day yet again. - the default. You can just enable that without having to do anything shady at all.
- smnthermes 6y ago
  > and inability to use software outside of the app store Google wants browsers to be like OSes, because they can't directly compete with desktop OSes. This concept is incompatible with security and privacy, so Google's interests are more harmful (they fund Mozilla). Granular permissions don't solve the privacy issue, because denying them contributes to fingerprinting. Also, JIT compilers violate W^X.