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> They need to evolve in some capacity to remain interesting. The meta or something has to evolve, but not the rules. The basic rules of soccer, etc. don't evo

> They need to evolve in some capacity to remain interesting. The meta or something has to evolve, but not the rules. The basic rules of soccer, etc. don't evolve. And video games are in some respect a form of art, so any judgement like this is incredibly subjective. Just as many people prefer classic art to modern, some people prefer classic games (eg. old, harder Tetris to new, Super Smash Bros Melee to newer Smash). (Edit) But to say "Using an open source structure or a committee for this would probably be slow, or doesn't work at all as it prevents meaningful/drastic changes." seems wrong. As an anecdote, I considered myself a "gamer" in middle school, and beat the highest rated game of all time (LoZ:Oot). As I've aged I've gamed less, but during the pandemic I've played a bit of NetHack, and found it a more interesting game, and its decades of history and evolution seem to show more dedication than any proprietary game has received to me.

Godel_unicode 6y ago
> The basic rules of soccer, etc. don't evolve. That's absolutely not true, unless by basic you mean things like "played with a vaguely round ball". FIFA change the actual rules every year. The new handball and wall rules are pretty big changes. https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2019/06/02/new-handball-goal-kick-and-free-kick-rule-changes-now-into-effect/ https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2019/06/02/new-handball-goal-ki...
- boogies 6y ago
  By basic I meant the sort of things I as not a fan of soccer would have heard of, like the basic rule that player's generally shouldn't touch the ball with their hands. And I (who don't really follow sports in general) would assume that sports like running would have even less change (I think they've refined rules against starting too soon?).
  - Godel_unicode 6y ago
    I assumed you meant, given the context, if the rule changes appreciably affected the meta, i.e. the way the game is played. If you zoom out far enough, all sports have the same rules, contests between humans with a physical component. The rules for swimming and running are similarly changing constantly. Google the controversy about the faster water in Beijing that was used to cause more records to be set, or the rules about shoes in running. The fact that someone who doesn't know about a sport thinks it's not changing doesn't mean it isn't. Ignorance does not convey some kind of deeper insight.
    - boogies 6y ago
      > controversy about the faster water Thanks for helping me make my point ;) : change in highly competitive sports is often viewed as a bad thing

Godel_unicode 6y ago

> The basic rules of soccer, etc. don't evolve. That's absolutely not true, unless by basic you mean things like "played with a vaguely round ball". FIFA change the actual rules every year. The new handball and wall rules are pretty big changes. https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2019/06/02/new-handball-goal-kick-and-free-kick-rule-changes-now-into-effect/ https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2019/06/02/new-handball-goal-ki...

boogies 6y ago
By basic I meant the sort of things I as not a fan of soccer would have heard of, like the basic rule that player's generally shouldn't touch the ball with their hands. And I (who don't really follow sports in general) would assume that sports like running would have even less change (I think they've refined rules against starting too soon?).
- Godel_unicode 6y ago
  I assumed you meant, given the context, if the rule changes appreciably affected the meta, i.e. the way the game is played. If you zoom out far enough, all sports have the same rules, contests between humans with a physical component. The rules for swimming and running are similarly changing constantly. Google the controversy about the faster water in Beijing that was used to cause more records to be set, or the rules about shoes in running. The fact that someone who doesn't know about a sport thinks it's not changing doesn't mean it isn't. Ignorance does not convey some kind of deeper insight.
  - boogies 6y ago
    > controversy about the faster water Thanks for helping me make my point ;) : change in highly competitive sports is often viewed as a bad thing