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>Sanity check becomes quick check, confidence check or coherence check why?

natdempk 6y ago
Similar to how we no longer use "retarded" to be sensitive to the disabled, people have been rethinking words like "crazy", "insane", or "sanity" to be sensitive towards those with mental illness. Update: Not sure why I got downvoted for stating the rationale for why people are making this change. Objectively I haven't even stated my opinion on the change, just the rationale I've seen for it. If you want a source here's one from NPR around this language: https://www.npr.org/2019/07/08/739643765/why-people-are-arguing-to-stop-using-the-words-crazy-and-insane https://www.npr.org/2019/07/08/739643765/why-people-are-argu...
- bobthepanda 6y ago
  also the US has a pretty ugly history of throwing up nonconforming people in mental institutions when it's convenient (see: suffragettes, gay people, etc.)
- mlyle 6y ago
  An interesting tangent is-- "retarded, moron, imbecile" all were relatively neutral medical terms once upon a time. Labels applied to disadvantaged groups linguistically develop a pejorative connotation over time.
  - bobthepanda 6y ago
    It doesn't really help that a lot of what we used to consider mental illness was mostly just behavior not conforming with the mainstream. US suffragettes hunger-striking were institutionalized and force-fed under the guise of mental illness, and being gay itself used to be classified as a mental illness.
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- dijit 6y ago
  Yes, but this is very much part of the Euphemism Treadmill[0] I would fervently argue that 'sanity' has nothing to do with denigrating persons, merely ensuring that the solution remains "sane" in light of many people pouring time on things in different contexts. Unless we're saying sanity in of itself is bad? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Evolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Evolution
- htk 6y ago
  But confidence check can hurt people with low self-esteem. It’s turtles all the way down.
  - disposekinetics 6y ago
    Coherence is sexist because woman have long suffered from accusations of incoherence.
- ibejoeb 6y ago
  I'm not downvoting you. I just don't see an argument against sanity or coherence. These are things are objectively good. Don't hear a lot of "hey, that's awfully coherent, how about maybe walk that back a little..." I'm good with the rest of it. I have no need to call anything master/slave. I worry about analysis paralysis though. Primary/secondary has caste connotations, if you ask me...
klhutchins 6y ago
I'm guessing because there might be a possibility someone might be offended?
igammarays 6y ago
Because according to a woke worldview, there is no such thing as insanity.
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throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
Because people like me with a lifetime of mental health problems really appreciate this extra consideration. Thanks! Oh, hold on... despite that, actually I'm not some fragile snowflake that melts in the blaze other's insensitivity so they can stop being so fucking precious about my mental state. I can take 'sanity checks' just fine. I can take it a whole lot better than being treated like some wilting flower without being asked what I actually want. Wankerism is spreading faster than bloody covid.
- pseudalopex 6y ago
  Other people with mental health problems say sincerely what you said sarcastically. What do you want? Does what they want stand in the way of you getting it?
  - throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
    > What do you want? Did you not read my comment - I clearly stated what I want: "[to be] asked what I actually want", not given it" whether I want it or not. Sure I wasn't (in a way being) sarcastic when I said "...we really appreciate this extra consideration", just that that extra consideration be something we are involved in. It's really simple: don't condescend or presume, but do ask. Do you not understand that?
  - HappyDreamer 6y ago
    > Other people ... say ... If that happened to be online, and you happen to have a link, it'd be interesting to read
caned 6y ago
"Confidence check" is insensitive toward individuals with low self-esteem.

Similar to how we no longer use "retarded" to be sensitive to the disabled, people have been rethinking words like "crazy", "insane", or "sanity" to be sensitive towards those with mental illness. Update: Not sure why I got downvoted for stating the rationale for why people are making this change. Objectively I haven't even stated my opinion on the change, just the rationale I've seen for it. If you want a source here's one from NPR around this language: https://www.npr.org/2019/07/08/739643765/why-people-are-arguing-to-stop-using-the-words-crazy-and-insane https://www.npr.org/2019/07/08/739643765/why-people-are-argu...

bobthepanda 6y ago
also the US has a pretty ugly history of throwing up nonconforming people in mental institutions when it's convenient (see: suffragettes, gay people, etc.)
mlyle 6y ago
An interesting tangent is-- "retarded, moron, imbecile" all were relatively neutral medical terms once upon a time. Labels applied to disadvantaged groups linguistically develop a pejorative connotation over time.
- bobthepanda 6y ago
  It doesn't really help that a lot of what we used to consider mental illness was mostly just behavior not conforming with the mainstream. US suffragettes hunger-striking were institutionalized and force-fed under the guise of mental illness, and being gay itself used to be classified as a mental illness.
- deleted 6y ago
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dijit 6y ago
Yes, but this is very much part of the Euphemism Treadmill[0] I would fervently argue that 'sanity' has nothing to do with denigrating persons, merely ensuring that the solution remains "sane" in light of many people pouring time on things in different contexts. Unless we're saying sanity in of itself is bad? [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Evolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Evolution
htk 6y ago
But confidence check can hurt people with low self-esteem. It’s turtles all the way down.
- disposekinetics 6y ago
  Coherence is sexist because woman have long suffered from accusations of incoherence.
ibejoeb 6y ago
I'm not downvoting you. I just don't see an argument against sanity or coherence. These are things are objectively good. Don't hear a lot of "hey, that's awfully coherent, how about maybe walk that back a little..." I'm good with the rest of it. I have no need to call anything master/slave. I worry about analysis paralysis though. Primary/secondary has caste connotations, if you ask me...

klhutchins 6y ago

I'm guessing because there might be a possibility someone might be offended?

igammarays 6y ago

Because according to a woke worldview, there is no such thing as insanity.

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throwaway_pdp09 6y ago

Because people like me with a lifetime of mental health problems really appreciate this extra consideration. Thanks! Oh, hold on... despite that, actually I'm not some fragile snowflake that melts in the blaze other's insensitivity so they can stop being so fucking precious about my mental state. I can take 'sanity checks' just fine. I can take it a whole lot better than being treated like some wilting flower without being asked what I actually want. Wankerism is spreading faster than bloody covid.

pseudalopex 6y ago
Other people with mental health problems say sincerely what you said sarcastically. What do you want? Does what they want stand in the way of you getting it?
- throwaway_pdp09 6y ago
  > What do you want? Did you not read my comment - I clearly stated what I want: "[to be] asked what I actually want", not given it" whether I want it or not. Sure I wasn't (in a way being) sarcastic when I said "...we really appreciate this extra consideration", just that that extra consideration be something we are involved in. It's really simple: don't condescend or presume, but do ask. Do you not understand that?
- HappyDreamer 6y ago
  > Other people ... say ... If that happened to be online, and you happen to have a link, it'd be interesting to read

caned 6y ago

"Confidence check" is insensitive toward individuals with low self-esteem.