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Fortnite has way too many problems to even be anywhere near considered ready for an esport presented in the Olympics. Fortnite still has a large amount of luck

Fortnite has way too many problems to even be anywhere near considered ready for an esport presented in the Olympics. Fortnite still has a large amount of luck involved. Even the most skilled players have to rely on luck to be able to get the high leveled items they need to succeed in the long game. While current competitions have tried to lessen this by having multiple rounds over and over in attempt at giving all players a fairer chance, the luck aspect is still there. All other games with a heavily established esports base uses games with much lower levels of luck, and are centered around the balance of skill and strategy. CS:GO, League of Legends, Rocket League, Valorant, Super Smash Bros, etc. are all centered around the player or team's skill and/or strategy. Luck is either minimal or non existent. The Olympics should be about skill, never about luck.

bathtub365 6y ago
There is still a fair amount of luck in the Olympics. For example, in the winter Olympics, snow conditions are only somewhat in the control of the organisers and can have a huge impact on someone's performance. All you can do, as an athlete, is train in a variety of conditions to try to be ready
- notahacker 6y ago
  Sure, but snow differences aren't determined by programmers trying to make the game more interesting by ensuring different skiiers have different amounts of snow to work with. If e-skiing were to become an Olympic sport you'd expect everyone to start with the same amount of snow.
  - bathtub365 6y ago
    > If e-skiing were to become an Olympic sport you'd expect everyone to start with the same amount of snow. Since competitive skiing is based on athleticism in the face of uncertain conditions, that sounds dreadfully boring.
    - notahacker 6y ago
      From a consume-on-TV perspective it's the athleticism which makes it compelling, not random misfortunes with the snow conditions. Appreciate experienced skiiers might see more nuance to how skiiers approach subtle changes to the piste, but still doubt they'd find button clicking in the face of uncertain conditions equally compelling (or even more compelling than watching real skiiers on a suitably large raked and climate-controlled slope)
- enzanki_ars 6y ago
  Even in that case, every athlete has nearly the same conditions. Yes, over the course of a day, those conditions can change, but the organizers can control for that as best as possible. In your snow sport example: > "The start order in the first run is determined by a combination of a draw and your standing in World Cup rankings. For the second, the top 30 skiers start in reverse order (so the 30th person goes first) to even out their chances. The later on you start, the worse your course conditions will be, sometimes with gnarly ruts, holes and bumps." [1] While yes, a better athlete would start later, and therefore be at a disadvantage, it evens out the field so that they can close the gap in the effects of the course conditions. [1]: https://qz.com/1202352/a-short-guide-to-understanding-alpine-skiing-during-the-winter-olympics/ https://qz.com/1202352/a-short-guide-to-understanding-alpine...
Romanulus 6y ago
Can you provide more some examples beyond item drops? It's easy enough to design a level with certain items laying around...
- enzanki_ars 6y ago
  In Fortnite, item drops and the glowing chests very game by game. If you drop in the same place twice in a row, the chances of getting the same quality of items is vastly different. Yes, they could control that in competitive games, but Fortnite has not done so even in competitive games as they rely on running a best of X instead using a point system in attempt to minimize the effects of the randomization. Plus, because you can drop anywhere, it's possible that some players fight sooner than others, creating yet another source of luck that can not be controlled. And yes, this could be controlled too, but again, Fortnite has not done so as it could result in removing one of the core aspects of the game.
- Scottn1 6y ago
  Weapon bloom; moving storm zone; endgame rotation terrain.
FalconSensei 6y ago
Smash Bros and CS:GO can be great!

bathtub365 6y ago

There is still a fair amount of luck in the Olympics. For example, in the winter Olympics, snow conditions are only somewhat in the control of the organisers and can have a huge impact on someone's performance. All you can do, as an athlete, is train in a variety of conditions to try to be ready

notahacker 6y ago
Sure, but snow differences aren't determined by programmers trying to make the game more interesting by ensuring different skiiers have different amounts of snow to work with. If e-skiing were to become an Olympic sport you'd expect everyone to start with the same amount of snow.
- bathtub365 6y ago
  > If e-skiing were to become an Olympic sport you'd expect everyone to start with the same amount of snow. Since competitive skiing is based on athleticism in the face of uncertain conditions, that sounds dreadfully boring.
  - notahacker 6y ago
    From a consume-on-TV perspective it's the athleticism which makes it compelling, not random misfortunes with the snow conditions. Appreciate experienced skiiers might see more nuance to how skiiers approach subtle changes to the piste, but still doubt they'd find button clicking in the face of uncertain conditions equally compelling (or even more compelling than watching real skiiers on a suitably large raked and climate-controlled slope)
enzanki_ars 6y ago
Even in that case, every athlete has nearly the same conditions. Yes, over the course of a day, those conditions can change, but the organizers can control for that as best as possible. In your snow sport example: > "The start order in the first run is determined by a combination of a draw and your standing in World Cup rankings. For the second, the top 30 skiers start in reverse order (so the 30th person goes first) to even out their chances. The later on you start, the worse your course conditions will be, sometimes with gnarly ruts, holes and bumps." [1] While yes, a better athlete would start later, and therefore be at a disadvantage, it evens out the field so that they can close the gap in the effects of the course conditions. [1]: https://qz.com/1202352/a-short-guide-to-understanding-alpine-skiing-during-the-winter-olympics/ https://qz.com/1202352/a-short-guide-to-understanding-alpine...

Romanulus 6y ago

Can you provide more some examples beyond item drops? It's easy enough to design a level with certain items laying around...

enzanki_ars 6y ago
In Fortnite, item drops and the glowing chests very game by game. If you drop in the same place twice in a row, the chances of getting the same quality of items is vastly different. Yes, they could control that in competitive games, but Fortnite has not done so even in competitive games as they rely on running a best of X instead using a point system in attempt to minimize the effects of the randomization. Plus, because you can drop anywhere, it's possible that some players fight sooner than others, creating yet another source of luck that can not be controlled. And yes, this could be controlled too, but again, Fortnite has not done so as it could result in removing one of the core aspects of the game.
Scottn1 6y ago
Weapon bloom; moving storm zone; endgame rotation terrain.

FalconSensei 6y ago

Smash Bros and CS:GO can be great!