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The Olympics doesn't currently include any competition fully controlled by a corporation. Why would you want to introduce this?

dane-pgp 6y ago
At the very least, the client and server code would have to be open to inspection by experts from any competing country. Ideally the code would actually be Free Software, and countries could vote on pull requests for features and balance patches.
- bathtub365 6y ago
  Let esports have their own competitions, as they've done for years now. The Olympics is not esports.
- zapnuk 6y ago
  Bad idea and completely unnecessary.
  - boogies 6y ago
    > Bad idea Why? The source code forms the authoritative rules of the game, and the Four Freedoms¹ apply to those in all Olympic sports, right? 1: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
    - bathtub365 6y ago
      Are the athletes also expected to be software developers? Are the viewers? Are the judges, broadcasters, and commentators? This is like telling a football player they should have a kinematics textbook in their pocket just in case they disagree with a referee.
      - dane-pgp 6y ago
        > This is like telling a football player they should have a kinematics textbook in their pocket That's as ridiculous a strawman as saying "The Olympics mustn't have any rules about performance enhancing drugs, otherwise athletes would have to carry bio-chemistry textbooks in their pockets".
    - zapnuk 6y ago
      There is no obvious solution to balance changes. Using an open source structure or a committee for this would probably be slow, or doesn't work at all as it prevents meaningful/drastic changes. Those are often very opinionated. However, those are necessary due to the nature of video games. Games need to evolve in some capacity to remain interesting. As for the inspection, I guess it would be nice. But an esport Olympics would include multiple games so at some point it's too inconvenient. Also, all player play with the same client/server technology. So you'd have to think very cynical to think that there would be any tempering by the developers. At some point there is a remaining risk. Same hold for traditional sports where there are judges who introduce their subjective opinions.
      - boogies 6y ago
        > They need to evolve in some capacity to remain interesting. The meta or something has to evolve, but not the rules. The basic rules of soccer, etc. don't evolve. And video games are in some respect a form of art, so any judgement like this is incredibly subjective. Just as many people prefer classic art to modern, some people prefer classic games (eg. old, harder Tetris to new, Super Smash Bros Melee to newer Smash). (Edit) But to say "Using an open source structure or a committee for this would probably be slow, or doesn't work at all as it prevents meaningful/drastic changes." seems wrong. As an anecdote, I considered myself a "gamer" in middle school, and beat the highest rated game of all time (LoZ:Oot). As I've aged I've gamed less, but during the pandemic I've played a bit of NetHack, and found it a more interesting game, and its decades of history and evolution seem to show more dedication than any proprietary game has received to me.
        Godel_unicode 6y ago
        > The basic rules of soccer, etc. don't evolve. That's absolutely not true, unless by basic you mean things like "played with a vaguely round ball". FIFA change the actual rules every year. The new handball and wall rules are pretty big changes. https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2019/06/02/new-handball-goal-kick-and-free-kick-rule-changes-now-into-effect/ https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2019/06/02/new-handball-goal-ki...
chrisseaton 6y ago
Most sports are controlled by corporations - for example fencing by the FIE, football by the FIFA, etc.
- bathtub365 6y ago
  I can play any of those sports without making an account with the FIE or FIFA. How do they have control? They have great influence, obviously, but not control.
- gruez 6y ago
  You literally can't play fortnite without a license from epic or epic's servers. You can play soccer with a ball and a field, no FIFA involved.
  - PostPlummer 6y ago
    Except you can't in any serious organised form, like the olympics would be, or they'll come after you / the payers.
- Karliss 6y ago
  There is a difference between commercial corporation creating a game with purpose of making money for shareholders and non-profit organization with elected president created by people doing an existing sport.
mirekrusin 6y ago
Too late AI will make it boring, unless it's AI vs AI?

dane-pgp 6y ago

At the very least, the client and server code would have to be open to inspection by experts from any competing country. Ideally the code would actually be Free Software, and countries could vote on pull requests for features and balance patches.

bathtub365 6y ago
Let esports have their own competitions, as they've done for years now. The Olympics is not esports.
zapnuk 6y ago
Bad idea and completely unnecessary.
- boogies 6y ago
  > Bad idea Why? The source code forms the authoritative rules of the game, and the Four Freedoms¹ apply to those in all Olympic sports, right? 1: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
  - bathtub365 6y ago
    Are the athletes also expected to be software developers? Are the viewers? Are the judges, broadcasters, and commentators? This is like telling a football player they should have a kinematics textbook in their pocket just in case they disagree with a referee.
    - dane-pgp 6y ago
      > This is like telling a football player they should have a kinematics textbook in their pocket That's as ridiculous a strawman as saying "The Olympics mustn't have any rules about performance enhancing drugs, otherwise athletes would have to carry bio-chemistry textbooks in their pockets".
  - zapnuk 6y ago
    There is no obvious solution to balance changes. Using an open source structure or a committee for this would probably be slow, or doesn't work at all as it prevents meaningful/drastic changes. Those are often very opinionated. However, those are necessary due to the nature of video games. Games need to evolve in some capacity to remain interesting. As for the inspection, I guess it would be nice. But an esport Olympics would include multiple games so at some point it's too inconvenient. Also, all player play with the same client/server technology. So you'd have to think very cynical to think that there would be any tempering by the developers. At some point there is a remaining risk. Same hold for traditional sports where there are judges who introduce their subjective opinions.
    - boogies 6y ago
      > They need to evolve in some capacity to remain interesting. The meta or something has to evolve, but not the rules. The basic rules of soccer, etc. don't evolve. And video games are in some respect a form of art, so any judgement like this is incredibly subjective. Just as many people prefer classic art to modern, some people prefer classic games (eg. old, harder Tetris to new, Super Smash Bros Melee to newer Smash). (Edit) But to say "Using an open source structure or a committee for this would probably be slow, or doesn't work at all as it prevents meaningful/drastic changes." seems wrong. As an anecdote, I considered myself a "gamer" in middle school, and beat the highest rated game of all time (LoZ:Oot). As I've aged I've gamed less, but during the pandemic I've played a bit of NetHack, and found it a more interesting game, and its decades of history and evolution seem to show more dedication than any proprietary game has received to me.
      - Godel_unicode 6y ago
        > The basic rules of soccer, etc. don't evolve. That's absolutely not true, unless by basic you mean things like "played with a vaguely round ball". FIFA change the actual rules every year. The new handball and wall rules are pretty big changes. https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2019/06/02/new-handball-goal-kick-and-free-kick-rule-changes-now-into-effect/ https://soccer.nbcsports.com/2019/06/02/new-handball-goal-ki...

chrisseaton 6y ago

Most sports are controlled by corporations - for example fencing by the FIE, football by the FIFA, etc.

bathtub365 6y ago
I can play any of those sports without making an account with the FIE or FIFA. How do they have control? They have great influence, obviously, but not control.
gruez 6y ago
You literally can't play fortnite without a license from epic or epic's servers. You can play soccer with a ball and a field, no FIFA involved.
- PostPlummer 6y ago
  Except you can't in any serious organised form, like the olympics would be, or they'll come after you / the payers.
Karliss 6y ago
There is a difference between commercial corporation creating a game with purpose of making money for shareholders and non-profit organization with elected president created by people doing an existing sport.

mirekrusin 6y ago

Too late AI will make it boring, unless it's AI vs AI?