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> Apple will give them a choice soon enough. And hopefully one not reliant on so many dark patterns. The OneTrust opt-outs are the worst (and don't even work!
by floatrock 6y ago
> Apple will give them a choice soon enough.
And hopefully one not reliant on so many dark patterns.
The OneTrust opt-outs are the worst (and don't even work! which must be against the california consumer privacy act).
On my iphone in safari: say I'm cooking dinner and go to epicurious.com. Greeted with the now-standard opt-out banner at the bottom.
1. Click the "Do not sell my advertising"
2. Greeted with a giant Conde Nast wall-of-text full screen modal
3. Scroll through it (wait, we're now reading long legalise terms-of-service just to opt-out now?)
4. In the middle of the wall of text, there's a toggle button for "Sell my Personal Information". Okay, lets forget about the 2012-era debate around UI ambiguity of toggle buttons and accept this UI dark pattern. Try to tap it.
5. I tap it, and it doesn't do anything.
You read that right -- the Conde Nast OneTrust-powered opt-out, if you go through all the steps to find it -- doesn't even work on mobile. They're shipping a broken UI. Maybe you need to do something obscure like tap-and-hold-then-drag-in-a-tiny-hitbox-that-doesn't-trigger-horizontal-page-scrolling or something. I haven't figured it out.
I assume it's companies like OneTrust or Conde Nast that are complaining Apple's presumably-more-straightforward opt-out carries a "high risk of user refusal." Looking at how user-hostile what they're shipping now shows you what they're really fighting is giving consumers an effective choice.
- gumby 6y agoThat toggle does operate on non-mobile safari. Note that I said “operate” not “work”: you can flip the toggle, but the two choices are not labeled. Since I pressed “do not sell my information” and then got the Condé Nast opt outs page, does that mean the state of the toggle is already “don’t share”? It’s deliberately impossible to tell.
- SheinhardtWigCo 6y agoThis is the case all over the web. Many of these cookie/privacy modals just don’t work or are deliberately engineered to be as obnoxious as possible. We need some legal test cases where this behavior is declared to be in violation of the spirit of GDPR and CCPA.
- calvinmorrison 6y agoMy favorite firefox addon after NoScript is " I don't care about cookies".
- dependenttypes 6y agoYou could replace both with ublock origin.
- thewebcount 6y agoYeah, I'm really curious about this because I don't even see these things anymore. I mean they're there, and I don't block them, but I also don't read them and never click anything in them to accept or not accept. Are they allowed to track me under either GDPR or CCPA? I haven't consented. And having text that says, "By reading our articles you consent" doesn't make any sense if I haven't read the text that says that.
- yoaviram 6y agoLet me plug https://YourDigitalRights.org https://YourDigitalRights.org. Search for a company and send them a CCPA/GDPR deletion request. Or better yet install the browser extension and do it while visiting the company's website.
- geoka9 6y agoThanks! Would it be possible to have an option to display the email text the site has generated, instead of having to configure a default MUA?
- tomjen3 6y agoI have installed Firefox Sync as my default browser. It clears all cookies, and everything else except things you have downloaded when you close a tab. So I just click allow on those popups and let the user agent do its job. I highly recommend it to everybody. You can still keep a chrome tab open for those sites you need to login to.