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Progress ? There's money to be made and this looks like posturing and story telling to justify tapping in to another revenue stream on their platform.

valuearb 6y ago
By making it harder to monetize ads? Ok.
- rubber_duck 6y ago
  By replacing competitors with their own "tracking free" ad tech
  - valuearb 6y ago
    Which by definition makes it harder to monetize ads.
scarface74 6y ago
This is merely a “strategy credit”. Apple makes almost all of its money by people giving them money directly and them giving you stuff. They can afford to be privacy focused. If you’re okay with cheap, unpolished products where you are constantly being tracked and getting advertised to, buy a Google product. If you want products where you give the company money and they give you stuff - buy Apple.
- rubber_duck 6y ago
  >Apple makes almost all of its money by people giving them money directly and them giving you stuff. The story used to be "they are making money on hardware", then when that peaked it became "they are making money on services", once they peak in that market it's going to be "they are monitizing the content delivered through the ecosystem to provide a curated and safe experience" - it's all about showing growth an keeping stock prices.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    They have been making money off of curated content that you use with their hardware since 2003 when they introduced the iTunes Music Store. I’m still using my same Apple ID to purchase content from Apple that I used 17 years ago. But that still doesn’t change the equation. I give Apple money == they give me stuff.
  - rsynnott 6y ago
    > The story used to be "they are making money on hardware", then when that peaked it became "they are making money on services", The story is still that they're making money on hardware; over 80% of their revenue (and potentially more of their profits; profit margin on the music stuff in particular can't be great).
    - scarface74 6y ago
      77% but close enough. https://i0.wp.com/laptopcapri.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/financials-2020-4-4-1.png?w=618&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/laptopcapri.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05...
      - rsynnott 6y ago
        Ah, was looking at data for a different quarter. Probably varies during the year, though; I assume hardware share peaks in Q4.
- nitrogen 6y ago
  cheap, unpolished products where you are constantly being tracked and getting advertised to This is a bit of an old meme, it reminds me of the PC vs Mac wars back in the pre-Jobs-return era. Or Ford vs Chevy. It's really impressive how strongly companies have convinces us to associate our identities with their brands.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Android is still a mess of an ecosystem where most OEMs bundle their own crapware, most don’t provide updates for more than a couple of years if at all. I had the displeasure of using Google Search without an ad block for the first time in awhile. God it’s awful. Not to mention AMP pages being the default for many popular new sites when linking from Google on mobile. GoogleTV/Android TV/Chromecast are all worse than Apple TV and Roku Give me Office 365 over GSuite any day on either mobile or desktop. No one had to convince me about Google’d brands. Google’s entire reason for existing is an advertising operation. 90% of their profit comes from advertising.
    - f1refly 6y ago
      And along come lineage and f-droid, saving you from whatever google are the chinese try to throw at you.
- orangecat 6y ago
  If you want products where you give the company money and they give you stuff - buy Apple. The "stuff" tends to come with artificial limitations so that in order to use it effectively I have to give Apple even more money.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Which product comes with “artificial limitations” that force you to give Apple more money?
    - orangecat 6y ago
      For iPhones, Lightning rather than USB-C, no headphone jacks, and inability to use software outside of the app store. For Macs, lack of post-purchase expandability, and it's getting gradually more difficult to run non-store software. Yes, you can come up with arguments why these things are actually good for users. But coincidentally the workarounds always end up with more revenue for Apple: AirPods, 30% commission on apps, inflated BTO upgrade prices...
      - scarface74 6y ago
        - you can buy extra lightning cables from anywhere at about the same price as usb c cables. - most modern high end cell phones aren’t coming with headphone jacks anymore. All iPhones come with a headphones - most high end laptops also don’t have internal expandability anymore. -you also don’t have to buy AirPods. You can buy any Bluetooth headphones - Google also charges the same 30% for apps. - the default is allow signed apps. Not apps from the store.
        f1refly 6y ago
        - but then you have lightning cables and usb c cables. Yet another connector that's incompatible with everything else! - [citation needed]. High end android phones with headphone do exist, so you definitely have the choice to support those vendors. - most - bluetooth - f-droid, saving the day yet again. - the default. You can just enable that without having to do anything shady at all.

valuearb 6y ago

By making it harder to monetize ads? Ok.

rubber_duck 6y ago
By replacing competitors with their own "tracking free" ad tech
- valuearb 6y ago
  Which by definition makes it harder to monetize ads.

scarface74 6y ago

This is merely a “strategy credit”. Apple makes almost all of its money by people giving them money directly and them giving you stuff. They can afford to be privacy focused. If you’re okay with cheap, unpolished products where you are constantly being tracked and getting advertised to, buy a Google product. If you want products where you give the company money and they give you stuff - buy Apple.

rubber_duck 6y ago
>Apple makes almost all of its money by people giving them money directly and them giving you stuff. The story used to be "they are making money on hardware", then when that peaked it became "they are making money on services", once they peak in that market it's going to be "they are monitizing the content delivered through the ecosystem to provide a curated and safe experience" - it's all about showing growth an keeping stock prices.
- scarface74 6y ago
  They have been making money off of curated content that you use with their hardware since 2003 when they introduced the iTunes Music Store. I’m still using my same Apple ID to purchase content from Apple that I used 17 years ago. But that still doesn’t change the equation. I give Apple money == they give me stuff.
- rsynnott 6y ago
  > The story used to be "they are making money on hardware", then when that peaked it became "they are making money on services", The story is still that they're making money on hardware; over 80% of their revenue (and potentially more of their profits; profit margin on the music stuff in particular can't be great).
  - scarface74 6y ago
    77% but close enough. https://i0.wp.com/laptopcapri.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/financials-2020-4-4-1.png?w=618&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/laptopcapri.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05...
    - rsynnott 6y ago
      Ah, was looking at data for a different quarter. Probably varies during the year, though; I assume hardware share peaks in Q4.
nitrogen 6y ago
cheap, unpolished products where you are constantly being tracked and getting advertised to This is a bit of an old meme, it reminds me of the PC vs Mac wars back in the pre-Jobs-return era. Or Ford vs Chevy. It's really impressive how strongly companies have convinces us to associate our identities with their brands.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Android is still a mess of an ecosystem where most OEMs bundle their own crapware, most don’t provide updates for more than a couple of years if at all. I had the displeasure of using Google Search without an ad block for the first time in awhile. God it’s awful. Not to mention AMP pages being the default for many popular new sites when linking from Google on mobile. GoogleTV/Android TV/Chromecast are all worse than Apple TV and Roku Give me Office 365 over GSuite any day on either mobile or desktop. No one had to convince me about Google’d brands. Google’s entire reason for existing is an advertising operation. 90% of their profit comes from advertising.
  - f1refly 6y ago
    And along come lineage and f-droid, saving you from whatever google are the chinese try to throw at you.
orangecat 6y ago
If you want products where you give the company money and they give you stuff - buy Apple. The "stuff" tends to come with artificial limitations so that in order to use it effectively I have to give Apple even more money.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Which product comes with “artificial limitations” that force you to give Apple more money?
  - orangecat 6y ago
    For iPhones, Lightning rather than USB-C, no headphone jacks, and inability to use software outside of the app store. For Macs, lack of post-purchase expandability, and it's getting gradually more difficult to run non-store software. Yes, you can come up with arguments why these things are actually good for users. But coincidentally the workarounds always end up with more revenue for Apple: AirPods, 30% commission on apps, inflated BTO upgrade prices...
    - scarface74 6y ago
      - you can buy extra lightning cables from anywhere at about the same price as usb c cables. - most modern high end cell phones aren’t coming with headphone jacks anymore. All iPhones come with a headphones - most high end laptops also don’t have internal expandability anymore. -you also don’t have to buy AirPods. You can buy any Bluetooth headphones - Google also charges the same 30% for apps. - the default is allow signed apps. Not apps from the store.
      - f1refly 6y ago
        - but then you have lightning cables and usb c cables. Yet another connector that's incompatible with everything else! - [citation needed]. High end android phones with headphone do exist, so you definitely have the choice to support those vendors. - most - bluetooth - f-droid, saving the day yet again. - the default. You can just enable that without having to do anything shady at all.