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“Increase the chance of user refusal” - imagine that applied to literally any other context, such as bank accounts, credit cards, buying cars, etc. to see how r
by koluna 6y ago
“Increase the chance of user refusal” - imagine that applied to literally any other context, such as bank accounts, credit cards, buying cars, etc. to see how ridiculous that statement is.
- spacedcowboy 6y agoThe difference being agency. You intend to open a bank account, buy a car, etc. “you“ [for the majority definition of ‘you’] had no idea that you were being secretly tracked, and (clutches pearls) you might even object to that. This is lifting the stone that’s been lying in the grass for the last decade or so, and watching all the creepy-crawlers scurry away out of the light, desperate to find somewhere to hide themselves again.
- koluna 6y ago100%. And I love the fact that with Apple that agency slowly moves back to me - the ad industry can disappear overnight, and I don’t think life would get worse without it.
- banads 6y ago>the ad industry can disappear overnight, and I don’t think life would get worse without it If you're concerned about extreme materialism and the effect it has on the environment and mental health, then it seems life would not get worse, it would get better.
- oh_sigh 6y agoHave there been any studies showing that people buy fewer things when exposed to less advertising?
- gquiniou 6y agoI'd love to believe we would all be better if there was no advertising but it looks like our entire civilization is based on always producing and selling more stuff. What happens when we stop that ?
- banads 6y agoPerhaps a paradigm shift from a "thing" oriented society to a "person" oriented society. "We must rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented" society to a "person-oriented" society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered" -MLK
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y agoNo, your confused. The agency has just shifted closer to Apple. Which happens to align better with your interests, at least in this-five-minute-period.
- koluna 6y agoUser choice is always good. I’m sure Apple is doing this not out of the goodness of their heart, but it does give customers more control, which is a positive.
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- TheSpiceIsLife 6y agoSmacks of Stockholm syndrome. It’s interesting because, as an Apple iOS and MacOS user, I experience their locked-down / progressively more restricted / more secure / more private walled garden And I too am happy and content to be in that environment. The thing is, people actually don’t want fraternity, okay maybe they do, but only a little of it. What people really want is strong leadership. We actually want a benevolent director. Just don’t come running to me, don’t be surprised, when we all wake up in gulag.
- bcrosby95 6y agoYes, by now everyone knows they are being "secretly" tracked since it's been in the news for the last decade. And yet privacy isn't a strong selling point for most people. It sounds like they have spoken and they don't give a damn about it.
- joosters 6y agoI see it as the opposite... the ad industry are specifically worried here that people are going to be given the choice, and they believe that the peoples' choice won't be good for them.
- chaz72 6y agoIt sounds like that, but I don't think it's really true. I think that only means that with the previous tradeoffs available, they chose to keep being tracked. No reason not to try something new and maybe they'll choose something different.
- acdha 6y agoIn your bubble, people may be very aware of this but most people do not follow tech news very closely. There’s also a big gap in understanding what this means: I would bet that far more people know that Google or Facebook track everything you do on their sites than appreciate all of the tracking across the web, bulk credit card or email mining, and the many forms of smartphone-based tracking. Finally, if the apologists are right and most people really don’t care, this wouldn’t be an issue because people wouldn’t opt out when given the chance.
- spideymans 6y agoIf people don't care about being tracked, then why would the ad industry be concerned about people having the option to stop tracking?
- odshoifsdhfs 6y agoBeing sober increases the chance of girl refusing to have sex with me. Solution: I should be able to slip drugs in their drink without their knowing to keep being able to have sex with girls against their will. I really don't understand how someone with 2 neutrons can ever utter a phrase like this and think they are doing themselves a service?!
- giardini 6y agoodshoifsdhfs says>...I really don't understand how someone with 2 neutrons[sic] can ever utter a phrase like this and think they are doing themselves a service?!"< FTFY: odshoifsdhfs says>"I really don't understand how someone with 2 neurons can ever utter a phrase like this and think they are doing themselves a service?!"<
- oh_sigh 6y agoIt can be relevant if the text is chosen which overly dramatic for what is happening. I'm sure I could write something about cookies which scares away most people from accepting them.
- Too 6y agoIt's actually "risk of user refusal", which sounds even more ridiculous.