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I'm not disagreeing with you but where's the frontier between "pattern matching" and "intelligence"? I also think human intelligence and creativity will always

by 627467 6y ago

I'm not disagreeing with you but where's the frontier between "pattern matching" and "intelligence"? I also think human intelligence and creativity will always be judged by other humans as _better_, more genuine - as long as the judges can trust that given creation was lead by a human. Among creative types "derivative" is a derogatory label used frequently. "Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal" also has an implication that regardless of what else an artist/creator does: pattern matching is a big part of that process.

ixvvqktiwl 6y ago
That's a good point. I think we need to have a better understanding about how the brain works before we can properly answer that question. At this point there's a lot we don't understand about the brain, and psychology for that matter, it's basically a black box that we can observe through a microscope or other imaging system but we don't really understand what's happening. An ant only has around 250,000 neurons, yet they're still more intelligent than the most advanced "AI" we've managed to produce. An ant may not be able to paint a painting or write a novel, but I think most people agree they qualify as an intelligent being.
- the8472 6y ago
  Can we really call this ANTNN "intelligent" when it falls victim to trivial adversarial inputs? Ones that arise in the real world, not just in artificial inputs mind you. Clearly those ANTNNs are still far from anything that could rival natural intelligences. https://www.youtube.com/embed/mA37cb10WMU https://www.youtube.com/embed/mA37cb10WMU
- sutterbomb 6y ago
  The current leading theories on how the brain works are that yes, they are essentially very impressive prediction machines, which obviously rely on all sorts of pattern matching to make said predictions. You can look up Karl Friston's free energy principle or check this book for more details https://www.amazon.com/Surfing-Uncertainty-Prediction-Action-Embodied/dp/0190217014 https://www.amazon.com/Surfing-Uncertainty-Prediction-Action...
visarga 6y ago
> where's the frontier between "pattern matching" and "intelligence"? I recently saw this great video related to your very question. Yannic Kilcher: Paper review "On the Measure of Intelligence by François Chollet" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuyM63ugsxI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuyM63ugsxI

by 627467 6y ago

ixvvqktiwl 6y ago

That's a good point. I think we need to have a better understanding about how the brain works before we can properly answer that question. At this point there's a lot we don't understand about the brain, and psychology for that matter, it's basically a black box that we can observe through a microscope or other imaging system but we don't really understand what's happening. An ant only has around 250,000 neurons, yet they're still more intelligent than the most advanced "AI" we've managed to produce. An ant may not be able to paint a painting or write a novel, but I think most people agree they qualify as an intelligent being.

the8472 6y ago
Can we really call this ANTNN "intelligent" when it falls victim to trivial adversarial inputs? Ones that arise in the real world, not just in artificial inputs mind you. Clearly those ANTNNs are still far from anything that could rival natural intelligences. https://www.youtube.com/embed/mA37cb10WMU https://www.youtube.com/embed/mA37cb10WMU
sutterbomb 6y ago
The current leading theories on how the brain works are that yes, they are essentially very impressive prediction machines, which obviously rely on all sorts of pattern matching to make said predictions. You can look up Karl Friston's free energy principle or check this book for more details https://www.amazon.com/Surfing-Uncertainty-Prediction-Action-Embodied/dp/0190217014 https://www.amazon.com/Surfing-Uncertainty-Prediction-Action...

visarga 6y ago

> where's the frontier between "pattern matching" and "intelligence"? I recently saw this great video related to your very question. Yannic Kilcher: Paper review "On the Measure of Intelligence by François Chollet" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuyM63ugsxI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuyM63ugsxI