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Every single person I've met who had kids and complains about spending time with them keeps them from their projects also watched a lot of TV or plays games or

Every single person I've met who had kids and complains about spending time with them keeps them from their projects also watched a lot of TV or plays games or wastes time on social media after the kids go to bed. Every person I know who has kids and finds time for their projects are bringing their kids with them to meetups, getting the kids interested, and not spending time on consumptive pursuits. Spending time with your kids, being a good, engaged parent, has little to do with working on side projects.

odshoifsdhfs 6y ago
Do you have kids? Not an attack just curious. Edit: I just saw in the post below you do, will leave it here anywhere Between 1 hour in the morning getting them ready for school, commute, work 8/9 hours, commute back and pick him from school/grandparents, cook dinner, play with them a bit, put them in bed, most people don't have energy to so a side project and just need some time to relax in front of tv or social media. If you want to be a good parent, it is tiresome and exhausting.
- moron4hire 6y ago
  Yes, it's tiring. I sometimes complain I don't have any time to play video games anymore. But that's it: I complain about not playing video games, not about not working on projects. I suck it up and open the code editor. And I want employees who have the fortitude to do the right thing rather than the easy thing. Edit: I want to also note, I don't just dump the kids on my wife. She has her own side projects she does. She writes sci-fi novels.
  - odshoifsdhfs 6y ago
    You are lucky. I don't watch tv/play video games, but also don't do side projects. Even if I wanted I couldn't stand staring at a monitor at 10 in the evening to write code. (but to be fair, I also value other things in my life more than my job/money, so I probably 'waste' my time on other things, but I still don't agree with side project hiring. I did a lot of hiring, and I prefer employees that have a balanced life and way of living) (ps: if your hobby is to write code at night, all power to you, but I don't think you should discriminate against people that prefer to watch a show, go surfing or to the gym or just have a beer with friends. A side project doesn't mean anything in terms of your performance at work to be honest)
    - moron4hire 6y ago
      > A side project doesn't mean anything in terms of your performance at work to be honest That's as ridiculous as only hiring people who work side projects.
  - loriverkutya 6y ago
    > And I want employees who have the fortitude to do the right thing rather than the easy thing. And this way you get employees burning out I’m a few years. But you know, you can suck that up too.
mech422 6y ago
so ... anecdata ? Some of the best coders I've worked with are people that totally unplug off the clock, but I wouldn't try to generalize that...

odshoifsdhfs 6y ago

Do you have kids? Not an attack just curious. Edit: I just saw in the post below you do, will leave it here anywhere Between 1 hour in the morning getting them ready for school, commute, work 8/9 hours, commute back and pick him from school/grandparents, cook dinner, play with them a bit, put them in bed, most people don't have energy to so a side project and just need some time to relax in front of tv or social media. If you want to be a good parent, it is tiresome and exhausting.

moron4hire 6y ago
Yes, it's tiring. I sometimes complain I don't have any time to play video games anymore. But that's it: I complain about not playing video games, not about not working on projects. I suck it up and open the code editor. And I want employees who have the fortitude to do the right thing rather than the easy thing. Edit: I want to also note, I don't just dump the kids on my wife. She has her own side projects she does. She writes sci-fi novels.
- odshoifsdhfs 6y ago
  You are lucky. I don't watch tv/play video games, but also don't do side projects. Even if I wanted I couldn't stand staring at a monitor at 10 in the evening to write code. (but to be fair, I also value other things in my life more than my job/money, so I probably 'waste' my time on other things, but I still don't agree with side project hiring. I did a lot of hiring, and I prefer employees that have a balanced life and way of living) (ps: if your hobby is to write code at night, all power to you, but I don't think you should discriminate against people that prefer to watch a show, go surfing or to the gym or just have a beer with friends. A side project doesn't mean anything in terms of your performance at work to be honest)
  - moron4hire 6y ago
    > A side project doesn't mean anything in terms of your performance at work to be honest That's as ridiculous as only hiring people who work side projects.
- loriverkutya 6y ago
  > And I want employees who have the fortitude to do the right thing rather than the easy thing. And this way you get employees burning out I’m a few years. But you know, you can suck that up too.

mech422 6y ago

so ... anecdata ? Some of the best coders I've worked with are people that totally unplug off the clock, but I wouldn't try to generalize that...