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For the first time in almost a decade on HN I see ALL parent comments (six, as of now) greyed out. This can't be right... 32 comments stemming from these downvo

For the first time in almost a decade on HN I see ALL parent comments (six, as of now) greyed out. This can't be right... 32 comments stemming from these downvoted ones can't be a good sign for discussions. Sometimes economically/politically sensitive news are depressing in the comments section and I think we can do better. I don't even know how to comment about the article now, fearing random rage of someone else.

treefrogleap 6y ago
Conservatives get bashed on hacker news. We get it, there are plenty of neoliberals here. What you should understand is that when neoliberals throw out phrases like the populist scaremongering about the “Chinese virus” From the article You really should know that you don’t understand anything about the plights of the regular folks. To demonize the regular folks for pointing the finger at the cause of all the suffering, from destruction of jobs and community. to coronavirus. Is insane.
- excalibur 6y ago
  Neoliberal doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. Most of the Americans who call themselves "conservatives" actually ARE neoliberals and don't even realize it.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Conservatives get bashed on hacker news. We get it, there are plenty of neoliberals here. “Neoliberals” are a (center-right) subset of conservatives.
- nopeNopeNooope 6y ago
  Sometimes regular folks are the demons. Regular Germans became history's most punchable bad guys. If someone is telling you that you're terrible on a regular basis, perhaps some self reflection isn't unwarranted. The track record for regular people who just don't want to be called bad people turning out to be truly awful in retrospect is pretty close to 100%.
  - bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y ago
    > If someone is telling you that you're terrible on a regular basis The intensity on HN of 1. groupthink and incuriousness, 2. low-quality argumentation / intellectual laziness, and 3. the yawning gap between (1) and (2) on the one hand and, on the other, the site's high-minded discursive ideals (and, especially, performative appeals to the same) never ceases to amaze me.
    - happytoexplain 6y ago
      I think you're letting negative emotions get the best of you - the existence of a prevailing opinion or a political leaning is not, by itself, "group think", and it's even further from "incuriousness", which is essentially just an insult if you don't know a person outside of their posts on one topic. The term "group think" is frequently reached for as an intellectually lazy self defense in places like forums where you can count the number of posts that "disagree" with you, which can trigger such defensive emotions.
      - bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y ago
        You're doing what midwits on here typically do — namely, manipulating words directly instead of translating words into a model (operationalizing terms), manipulating the model, and translating back to communicate. The logocentrism of the innumerate. It's boring.
        dang 6y ago
        Even if you're right, supercilious putdowns only make things worse. Posturing as superior to the community you're participating in is in bad taste and at least as boring. Would you please not use alt accounts to post like this?
- IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
  You are employing that "regular folks" shtick that is intended to denigrate everyone disagreeing with you as not-a-real-person. It takes a certain panache (or ignorance) to use in a complaint about "demonisation".
- happytoexplain 6y ago
  >Conservatives get bashed on hacker news I don't see any more "bashing" of conservatives than liberals on HN. You may perceive prevalent opinions as more liberal than conservative, and you may perceive prevalent criticism of things that are more conservative than liberal, but that's not the same as "bashing", and usually the topic is not even explicitly liberal or conservative (except by association). You should consider that this may be a victim mentality you're falling into.

treefrogleap 6y ago

Conservatives get bashed on hacker news. We get it, there are plenty of neoliberals here. What you should understand is that when neoliberals throw out phrases like the populist scaremongering about the “Chinese virus” From the article You really should know that you don’t understand anything about the plights of the regular folks. To demonize the regular folks for pointing the finger at the cause of all the suffering, from destruction of jobs and community. to coronavirus. Is insane.

excalibur 6y ago
Neoliberal doesn't mean what you seem to think it means. Most of the Americans who call themselves "conservatives" actually ARE neoliberals and don't even realize it.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Conservatives get bashed on hacker news. We get it, there are plenty of neoliberals here. “Neoliberals” are a (center-right) subset of conservatives.
nopeNopeNooope 6y ago
Sometimes regular folks are the demons. Regular Germans became history's most punchable bad guys. If someone is telling you that you're terrible on a regular basis, perhaps some self reflection isn't unwarranted. The track record for regular people who just don't want to be called bad people turning out to be truly awful in retrospect is pretty close to 100%.
- bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y ago
  > If someone is telling you that you're terrible on a regular basis The intensity on HN of 1. groupthink and incuriousness, 2. low-quality argumentation / intellectual laziness, and 3. the yawning gap between (1) and (2) on the one hand and, on the other, the site's high-minded discursive ideals (and, especially, performative appeals to the same) never ceases to amaze me.
  - happytoexplain 6y ago
    I think you're letting negative emotions get the best of you - the existence of a prevailing opinion or a political leaning is not, by itself, "group think", and it's even further from "incuriousness", which is essentially just an insult if you don't know a person outside of their posts on one topic. The term "group think" is frequently reached for as an intellectually lazy self defense in places like forums where you can count the number of posts that "disagree" with you, which can trigger such defensive emotions.
    - bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y ago
      You're doing what midwits on here typically do — namely, manipulating words directly instead of translating words into a model (operationalizing terms), manipulating the model, and translating back to communicate. The logocentrism of the innumerate. It's boring.
      - dang 6y ago
        Even if you're right, supercilious putdowns only make things worse. Posturing as superior to the community you're participating in is in bad taste and at least as boring. Would you please not use alt accounts to post like this?
IfOnlyYouKnew 6y ago
You are employing that "regular folks" shtick that is intended to denigrate everyone disagreeing with you as not-a-real-person. It takes a certain panache (or ignorance) to use in a complaint about "demonisation".
happytoexplain 6y ago
>Conservatives get bashed on hacker news I don't see any more "bashing" of conservatives than liberals on HN. You may perceive prevalent opinions as more liberal than conservative, and you may perceive prevalent criticism of things that are more conservative than liberal, but that's not the same as "bashing", and usually the topic is not even explicitly liberal or conservative (except by association). You should consider that this may be a victim mentality you're falling into.