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> Am I alone in absolutely loving Edge? Isn't that besides the point that you love Edge ? I think the problem here is that they installed it without user conse

> Am I alone in absolutely loving Edge? Isn't that besides the point that you love Edge ? I think the problem here is that they installed it without user consent.

jscholes 6y ago
> I think the problem here is that they installed it without user consent. That depends. The post doesn't clarify whether Edge was already installed in its legacy incarnation. If so, and they received an update, that's not ""installing without user consent". I recently installed the Chromium version of Edge manually and didn't encounter any of this behaviour. It's a shame that Microsoft are doing something Windows Update-specific, although maybe people who are the most averse to this behaviour are the more technical crowd who will have already grabbed an installer for themselves anyway?
- gramakri 6y ago
  "shoving Edge down our throats" to me implies without consent. But as you say, it could be that the user consented long time ago but doesn't remember :)
  - perl4ever 6y ago
    It's rather complicated I guess, but I've heard rumors of a concept of consent where it's something that can be revoked. Sometimes people get quite vehement about it.
- wolco 6y ago
  I couldn't understand where it came from. Turned off updates.
- freeone3000 6y ago
  Edge was installed as part of a previous update, 1905.
ocdtrekkie 6y ago
Mac OS and iOS install Safari, Android installs Chrome. It's a system component that was never removable to begin with. And now they updated it. I'm sad to see any Chromium based browser installed on my PC, but it's hardly harmful that they're upgrading a system component to the latest version.
- StavrosK 6y ago
  > Android installs Chrome Does it? I don't even have Chrome on my phone. Even the webview component is now customizable, I think (or maybe it's the "embedded browser" component, but apps are definitely opening things in a popup Firefox window for me).
  - serf 6y ago
    not all android redistro uses Chrome, but they all use webview components afaik from like android4 on -- so you're getting most of the engine.
    - vezycash 6y ago
      >not all android redistro uses Chrome Preinstalled Google's proprietary apps on GMS Certified Android Hardware are Google Search, Google Chrome, YouTube, Gmail, Google Maps, Google Play Store, and more. If your devices are not certified, you will not have access to any of Google’s proprietary apps. It's all or nothing. So if the OEM has certification from google, Chrome is compulsory. Also, the manufacturer MUST release ALL their phone models with it. They cannot release some models with the open sourced android. AFAIK, Google and Microsoft are using the same playbook. Google simply learned from MS's mistakes early and created illusion of choice with open source. Microsoft in turn, has learned from Google and is gluing "must have" services to open source VScode. https://www.androidauthority.com/google-oem-licensing-345806/ https://www.androidauthority.com/google-oem-licensing-345806... https://socialmobile.com/gms-certified-devices/ https://socialmobile.com/gms-certified-devices/
      - techntoke 6y ago

> Am I alone in absolutely loving Edge? Isn't that besides the point that you love Edge ? I think the problem here is that they installed it without user consent.

jscholes 6y ago

> I think the problem here is that they installed it without user consent. That depends. The post doesn't clarify whether Edge was already installed in its legacy incarnation. If so, and they received an update, that's not ""installing without user consent". I recently installed the Chromium version of Edge manually and didn't encounter any of this behaviour. It's a shame that Microsoft are doing something Windows Update-specific, although maybe people who are the most averse to this behaviour are the more technical crowd who will have already grabbed an installer for themselves anyway?

gramakri 6y ago
"shoving Edge down our throats" to me implies without consent. But as you say, it could be that the user consented long time ago but doesn't remember :)
- perl4ever 6y ago
  It's rather complicated I guess, but I've heard rumors of a concept of consent where it's something that can be revoked. Sometimes people get quite vehement about it.
wolco 6y ago
I couldn't understand where it came from. Turned off updates.
freeone3000 6y ago
Edge was installed as part of a previous update, 1905.

ocdtrekkie 6y ago

Mac OS and iOS install Safari, Android installs Chrome. It's a system component that was never removable to begin with. And now they updated it. I'm sad to see any Chromium based browser installed on my PC, but it's hardly harmful that they're upgrading a system component to the latest version.

StavrosK 6y ago
> Android installs Chrome Does it? I don't even have Chrome on my phone. Even the webview component is now customizable, I think (or maybe it's the "embedded browser" component, but apps are definitely opening things in a popup Firefox window for me).
- serf 6y ago
  not all android redistro uses Chrome, but they all use webview components afaik from like android4 on -- so you're getting most of the engine.
  - vezycash 6y ago
    >not all android redistro uses Chrome Preinstalled Google's proprietary apps on GMS Certified Android Hardware are Google Search, Google Chrome, YouTube, Gmail, Google Maps, Google Play Store, and more. If your devices are not certified, you will not have access to any of Google’s proprietary apps. It's all or nothing. So if the OEM has certification from google, Chrome is compulsory. Also, the manufacturer MUST release ALL their phone models with it. They cannot release some models with the open sourced android. AFAIK, Google and Microsoft are using the same playbook. Google simply learned from MS's mistakes early and created illusion of choice with open source. Microsoft in turn, has learned from Google and is gluing "must have" services to open source VScode. https://www.androidauthority.com/google-oem-licensing-345806/ https://www.androidauthority.com/google-oem-licensing-345806... https://socialmobile.com/gms-certified-devices/ https://socialmobile.com/gms-certified-devices/
    - techntoke 6y ago