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I don't exactly consider dropping two atomic bombs on top of hundreds of thousands of civilians an act of kindness. Americans also don't exactly apologize for t

by Hamuko 6y ago

I don't exactly consider dropping two atomic bombs on top of hundreds of thousands of civilians an act of kindness. Americans also don't exactly apologize for their acts, still glorify their brutal heroes (and even people who fought against their own country). There's probably a whole laundry list of war crimes (and things that really should be war crimes) that the US has committed. And there are a lot of anti-American feelings across the globe.

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drtillberg 6y ago
So maybe we ban all references to nations of individuals that have in the past committed war crimes? Even the limited to recent history, the list is sort of long[1], but African nations seem to be well represented. As a convenient shorthand, maybe we just ban the African continent altogether? /sarc [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_the_International_Criminal_Court https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_t...
gamblor956 6y ago
I don't exactly consider dropping two atomic bombs on top of hundreds of thousands of civilians an act of kindness. War used to be extremely brutal. Genghis Khan used to execute entire cities...even after they had surrendered. Hell, prior to WWII, civilian populations were still legally legitimate targets for military actions. It's a very modern development for war to be fought purely between recognized armed forces. That being said, dropping two atomic bombs is estimated to have saved millions of Japanese civilian lives that would have been lost if the Japanese Emperor had waged a city-by-city resistance as they originally planned. Americans also don't exactly apologize for their acts, still glorify their brutal heroes (and even people who fought against their own country). This is not true, at all. The US Government is constantly apologizing for its past acts. We don't just apologize for them, we set up memorials to our own bad acts as a nation so that we can't erase them from memory or hide from them. And after the atomic bombs, the US paid for the surgeries and medical treatments of numerous survivors. Similarly, after Vietnam, the US has made significant efforts to make up for the damage inflicted on the Vietnamese people during the war.
- spoopyskelly 6y ago
  > we set up memorials to our own bad acts as a nation so that we can't erase them from memory or hide from them. They will all be hidden soon.

by Hamuko 6y ago

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drtillberg 6y ago

So maybe we ban all references to nations of individuals that have in the past committed war crimes? Even the limited to recent history, the list is sort of long[1], but African nations seem to be well represented. As a convenient shorthand, maybe we just ban the African continent altogether? /sarc [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_the_International_Criminal_Court https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_t...

gamblor956 6y ago

I don't exactly consider dropping two atomic bombs on top of hundreds of thousands of civilians an act of kindness. War used to be extremely brutal. Genghis Khan used to execute entire cities...even after they had surrendered. Hell, prior to WWII, civilian populations were still legally legitimate targets for military actions. It's a very modern development for war to be fought purely between recognized armed forces. That being said, dropping two atomic bombs is estimated to have saved millions of Japanese civilian lives that would have been lost if the Japanese Emperor had waged a city-by-city resistance as they originally planned. Americans also don't exactly apologize for their acts, still glorify their brutal heroes (and even people who fought against their own country). This is not true, at all. The US Government is constantly apologizing for its past acts. We don't just apologize for them, we set up memorials to our own bad acts as a nation so that we can't erase them from memory or hide from them. And after the atomic bombs, the US paid for the surgeries and medical treatments of numerous survivors. Similarly, after Vietnam, the US has made significant efforts to make up for the damage inflicted on the Vietnamese people during the war.

spoopyskelly 6y ago
> we set up memorials to our own bad acts as a nation so that we can't erase them from memory or hide from them. They will all be hidden soon.