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They're banning a hateful symbol. That's totally fair game for censorship. I don't know where you come from, but in my home state where we JUST THIS WEEK remov

They're banning a hateful symbol. That's totally fair game for censorship. I don't know where you come from, but in my home state where we JUST THIS WEEK removed the Confederate emblem from our state flag, only people with real hatred towards non-white people use that symbol.

egypturnash 6y ago
Congratulations on that, btw! Watching this shit finally come down in your hometown feels REALLY GOOD.
soraminazuki 6y ago
> we JUST THIS WEEK removed the Confederate emblem from our state flag That was long overdue, but it has little to do with the point that I'm trying to make. What I'm saying that we should be more careful about what we wish for, especially for something as dangerous as censorship, because things never work out the way we want it to. If the system worked as intended, there wouldn't be a problem of systemic racism now.
- greenie_beans 6y ago
  The system is working exactly as intended, that’s why we have systemic racism. If you look at the history of Reconstruction in the South and how it ended and gave rise to Jim Crow rule, you’ll see that we are very much an intentional system of white supremacy.
  - soraminazuki 6y ago
    I think it's fair to say that the public opinion has shifted significantly from that point, and if democracy was working in its most ideal form, it should be protecting the rights of black people. But the point is that even with the best of intentions, supposed "solutions" to any sort of problem won't always be effective and could end up making the situation worse if people don't think through. Racism matters, but how you solve it equally matters as well.
    - greenie_beans 6y ago
      You're right that public opinion has shifted. However, institutionally, hardly any change has happened. Also, you're essentially making the slippery slope logical fallacy about needing to be careful with how you censor people. I don't buy into your argument.

egypturnash 6y ago

Congratulations on that, btw! Watching this shit finally come down in your hometown feels REALLY GOOD.

soraminazuki 6y ago

> we JUST THIS WEEK removed the Confederate emblem from our state flag That was long overdue, but it has little to do with the point that I'm trying to make. What I'm saying that we should be more careful about what we wish for, especially for something as dangerous as censorship, because things never work out the way we want it to. If the system worked as intended, there wouldn't be a problem of systemic racism now.

greenie_beans 6y ago
The system is working exactly as intended, that’s why we have systemic racism. If you look at the history of Reconstruction in the South and how it ended and gave rise to Jim Crow rule, you’ll see that we are very much an intentional system of white supremacy.
- soraminazuki 6y ago
  I think it's fair to say that the public opinion has shifted significantly from that point, and if democracy was working in its most ideal form, it should be protecting the rights of black people. But the point is that even with the best of intentions, supposed "solutions" to any sort of problem won't always be effective and could end up making the situation worse if people don't think through. Racism matters, but how you solve it equally matters as well.
  - greenie_beans 6y ago
    You're right that public opinion has shifted. However, institutionally, hardly any change has happened. Also, you're essentially making the slippery slope logical fallacy about needing to be careful with how you censor people. I don't buy into your argument.