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For the next act we'll censor images of the pyramids of Egypt, which were constructed by slave labor. And then we'll ban texts of the First Amendment to the U.

For the next act we'll censor images of the pyramids of Egypt, which were constructed by slave labor. And then we'll ban texts of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution which was influenced by an enlightenment thinker, Voltaire, who also supported the slave trade. And for our next act we'll ban images of Washington, D.C. with its columns and white marble, which glorifies Roman slave-owning society.

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glangdale 6y ago
I like how your slippery slope argument (itself a fallacy) kicks off with the fallacy that the pyramids were constructed by slave labor.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
  Well, even if they were built by paid labor force comprised from free persons, they still glorify dead slaveowners, don't they?
  - raz32dust 6y ago
    No, they don't. What a certain symbol glorifies or does not glorify is not something you can measure objectively. It is an intersubjective reality. i.e, if enough people believe that pyramids glorify slavery, then it does! At the moment, you are the first person I have heard who thinks so. Confederate flags, on the other hand, are considered as glorifying slavery even by many people who support it.
softwaredoug 6y ago
The sole cause of the confederacy was defending the right for white men to own black slaves. All those other things were not solely about defending slavery.
- beervirus 6y ago
  That's not even true. The confederacy also stood for the cause of self-determination, and the right of a state to remove itself from the union that it had voluntarily entered.
  - softwaredoug 6y ago
    Remove themselves, so they can own slaves. Read The Cornerstone Speech[1]: that "Our new government['s] foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man." Don’t fall for Lost Cause mythology.[2] 1 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech#Speech_title https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech#Speech_ti... 2 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederac...
    - rayiner 6y ago
      The Cornerstone Speech is required reading: https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/cornerstone-speech https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/cornersto... > The prevailing ideas entertained by [Jefferson] and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew." > Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. Two things jump out: 1) someone defending secession in 1861 unambiguously calls out the founders for mostly believing that slavery was evil; and 2) it's an early invocation of "science" against the "zeal above knowledge" of (overwhelmingly religious) abolitionist "fanatics."
BEEdwards 6y ago
Great slippery slope argument, next time check your facts though, the Pyramids weren't built by slaves my dude. https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyramids-html https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyrami...
badosu 6y ago
> For the next act we'll censor images of the pyramids of Egypt, which were constructed by slave labor. Pyramid workers were highly skilled and paid professionals though.

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glangdale 6y ago

I like how your slippery slope argument (itself a fallacy) kicks off with the fallacy that the pyramids were constructed by slave labor.

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
Well, even if they were built by paid labor force comprised from free persons, they still glorify dead slaveowners, don't they?
- raz32dust 6y ago
  No, they don't. What a certain symbol glorifies or does not glorify is not something you can measure objectively. It is an intersubjective reality. i.e, if enough people believe that pyramids glorify slavery, then it does! At the moment, you are the first person I have heard who thinks so. Confederate flags, on the other hand, are considered as glorifying slavery even by many people who support it.

softwaredoug 6y ago

The sole cause of the confederacy was defending the right for white men to own black slaves. All those other things were not solely about defending slavery.

beervirus 6y ago
That's not even true. The confederacy also stood for the cause of self-determination, and the right of a state to remove itself from the union that it had voluntarily entered.
- softwaredoug 6y ago
  Remove themselves, so they can own slaves. Read The Cornerstone Speech[1]: that "Our new government['s] foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man." Don’t fall for Lost Cause mythology.[2] 1 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech#Speech_title https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech#Speech_ti... 2 - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederacy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cause_of_the_Confederac...
  - rayiner 6y ago
    The Cornerstone Speech is required reading: https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/cornerstone-speech https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/cornersto... > The prevailing ideas entertained by [Jefferson] and most of the leading statesmen at the time of the formation of the old constitution, were that the enslavement of the African was in violation of the laws of nature; that it was wrong in principle, socially, morally, and politically. It was an evil they knew not well how to deal with, but the general opinion of the men of that day was that, somehow or other in the order of Providence, the institution would be evanescent and pass away. This idea, though not incorporated in the constitution, was the prevailing idea at that time. The constitution, it is true, secured every essential guarantee to the institution while it should last, and hence no argument can be justly urged against the constitutional guarantees thus secured, because of the common sentiment of the day. Those ideas, however, were fundamentally wrong. They rested upon the assumption of the equality of races. This was an error. It was a sandy foundation, and the government built upon it fell when the "storm came and the wind blew." > Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. Two things jump out: 1) someone defending secession in 1861 unambiguously calls out the founders for mostly believing that slavery was evil; and 2) it's an early invocation of "science" against the "zeal above knowledge" of (overwhelmingly religious) abolitionist "fanatics."

BEEdwards 6y ago

Great slippery slope argument, next time check your facts though, the Pyramids weren't built by slaves my dude. https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyramids-html https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2003/07/who-built-the-pyrami...

badosu 6y ago

> For the next act we'll censor images of the pyramids of Egypt, which were constructed by slave labor. Pyramid workers were highly skilled and paid professionals though.