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> Does Facebook want to call itself a publisher? I'm quite sure it doesn't want to call itself one. But once it made an algorithmic feed it decided to have a h

by untog 6y ago

> Does Facebook want to call itself a publisher? I'm quite sure it doesn't want to call itself one. But once it made an algorithmic feed it decided to have a hand in what users do and do not see. It's not unreasonable to ask for some accountability in what that algorithm does, and such accountability is definitely not a violation of the first amendment. > Will it continue to edit/censor Presidents and Prime Ministers Point of clarification here: Twitter censored and edited absolutely nothing. They attached a warning to Trump's tweet. It is still available for all to read in its entirety.

shripadk 6y ago
> Point of clarification here: Twitter censored and edited absolutely nothing. They attached a warning to Trump's tweet. It is still available for all to read in its entirety. No Twitter actually removed a video[1] that Trump posted. [1]: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/twitter-labels-video-tweeted-trump-manipulated-media-n1231511 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/twitter-labels...
- untog 6y ago
  > in response to a copyright claim from one of the children’s parents So they didn't remove it because of their own demands for censorship, they removed it because the DMCA required them to.
  - shripadk 6y ago
    Does DMCA really require them to do so? Doesn't it fall under fair use? Do memes also attract DMCA notices now? How about this Nickelback meme that was removed from Trump's tweet: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/twitter-nixes-trump-nickelback-meme-after-dubious-takedown-request/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/twitter-nixes-tr... Are you actually telling me that this doesn't constitute fair use? If this doesn't constitute fair use then Twitter will have to delete a billion tweets that use the same meme. Will Twitter be fair in its policy and remove all of them?
    - gruez 6y ago
      > Does DMCA really require them to do so? Doesn't it fall under fair use? Yes, if they want to keep their safe harbor protections. If they think it's fair use, refuse to comply with the DMCA notice, and it turns out it wasn't fair use, they're now liable as infringers.
      - shripadk 6y ago
        > Yes, if they want to keep their safe harbor protections. If they think it's fair use, refuse to comply with the DMCA notice, and it turns out it wasn't fair use, they're now liable as infringers. But that is not as simple as it sounds. If you issue a DMCA counter-notice there is no compulsion for the service provider to honor the counter-notice. In fact, the default is to deny the counter claim because of contractual obligations between the service provider and the first party. You can read more about it here: https://www.newmediarights.org/copyright/DMCA/youtube_refusing_honor_dmca_counter_notices https://www.newmediarights.org/copyright/DMCA/youtube_refusi...

by untog 6y ago

shripadk 6y ago

> Point of clarification here: Twitter censored and edited absolutely nothing. They attached a warning to Trump's tweet. It is still available for all to read in its entirety. No Twitter actually removed a video[1] that Trump posted. [1]: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/twitter-labels-video-tweeted-trump-manipulated-media-n1231511 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/twitter-labels...

untog 6y ago
> in response to a copyright claim from one of the children’s parents So they didn't remove it because of their own demands for censorship, they removed it because the DMCA required them to.
- shripadk 6y ago
  Does DMCA really require them to do so? Doesn't it fall under fair use? Do memes also attract DMCA notices now? How about this Nickelback meme that was removed from Trump's tweet: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/twitter-nixes-trump-nickelback-meme-after-dubious-takedown-request/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/10/twitter-nixes-tr... Are you actually telling me that this doesn't constitute fair use? If this doesn't constitute fair use then Twitter will have to delete a billion tweets that use the same meme. Will Twitter be fair in its policy and remove all of them?
  - gruez 6y ago
    > Does DMCA really require them to do so? Doesn't it fall under fair use? Yes, if they want to keep their safe harbor protections. If they think it's fair use, refuse to comply with the DMCA notice, and it turns out it wasn't fair use, they're now liable as infringers.
    - shripadk 6y ago
      > Yes, if they want to keep their safe harbor protections. If they think it's fair use, refuse to comply with the DMCA notice, and it turns out it wasn't fair use, they're now liable as infringers. But that is not as simple as it sounds. If you issue a DMCA counter-notice there is no compulsion for the service provider to honor the counter-notice. In fact, the default is to deny the counter claim because of contractual obligations between the service provider and the first party. You can read more about it here: https://www.newmediarights.org/copyright/DMCA/youtube_refusing_honor_dmca_counter_notices https://www.newmediarights.org/copyright/DMCA/youtube_refusi...