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> Finally, there might be a lot going on right now, but why haven't companies outsourced sooner when there was nothing stopping them (even visas were easier to

> Finally, there might be a lot going on right now, but why haven't companies outsourced sooner when there was nothing stopping them (even visas were easier to come by before Trump)? I believe they have contemplated it, and changed their minds for good reason. Outsourcing to India is not trivial. It's a bit like outsourcing to China, where you _must_ have a deep understanding of the market and the players, so you don't get, well, duped. I have already gone through three different ventures where outsourcing to India didn't go too well, and it was commonly because the layer of management you end up dealing with, will say yes to whatever you ask them to do, regardless of time constraints or engineering talent. Now, you made an interesting point regarding the current visa situation. See, I am myself a visa holder who came here from Europe, to work for a startup. The whole process was painfully hard. Even renewing the visa is a complex matter. Costs have gone up, and so have hurdles to get even the supposedly "easiest" kind of visa, which I believe must be a J1. My employer sure spent a lot of money on my L1. It seems that some US engineers believe that their jobs are being "taken" from them by "unqualified", or "substandard", or "underpaid" immigrant engineers, and that getting a work permit in the US is something almost "trivial". In reality, companies like Uber, Google, Microsoft, etc., will be shifting more jobs abroad, not because it is cheaper, as I think we must agree that the inherent complications of foreign teams may outweigh the potential savings, but because talent is _global_. And if they cannot have the required talent in home, they will surely look elsewhere.

TheAdamAndChe 6y ago
It seems that some US engineers believe that their jobs are being "taken" from them by "unqualified", or "substandard", or "underpaid" immigrant engineers, and that getting a work permit in the US is something almost "trivial". You(or others) may be getting mixed up between complaints of legal vs illegal immigration. Illegal immigration does tend to displace American workers for forms of manual labor like on farms, roofing, etc. Legal immigration like H1B tends to be gamed by large corporations to get cheaply paid workers for contacting companies. If talent was truly global, they wouldn't do this.
- manuelabeledo 6y ago
  > You(or others) may be getting mixed up between complaints of legal vs illegal immigration. Illegal immigration does tend to displace American workers for forms of manual labor like on farms, roofing, etc. Let's say that it is true, and that the US job market is larger for blue collar vs. white collar work seekers. Then one must ask why there isn't a ban on seasonal workers yet. > Legal immigration like H1B tends to be gamed by large corporations to get cheaply paid workers for contacting companies. That's not true. Large IT outsourcing companies, yes. FAANG, no. H1B salaries are publicly available, so it is easy to prove it. > If talent was truly global, they wouldn't do this. Quite literally the opposite. Since talent is global, there simply are good engineers everywhere, and bringing them to the US market is an advantage.

TheAdamAndChe 6y ago

It seems that some US engineers believe that their jobs are being "taken" from them by "unqualified", or "substandard", or "underpaid" immigrant engineers, and that getting a work permit in the US is something almost "trivial". You(or others) may be getting mixed up between complaints of legal vs illegal immigration. Illegal immigration does tend to displace American workers for forms of manual labor like on farms, roofing, etc. Legal immigration like H1B tends to be gamed by large corporations to get cheaply paid workers for contacting companies. If talent was truly global, they wouldn't do this.

manuelabeledo 6y ago
> You(or others) may be getting mixed up between complaints of legal vs illegal immigration. Illegal immigration does tend to displace American workers for forms of manual labor like on farms, roofing, etc. Let's say that it is true, and that the US job market is larger for blue collar vs. white collar work seekers. Then one must ask why there isn't a ban on seasonal workers yet. > Legal immigration like H1B tends to be gamed by large corporations to get cheaply paid workers for contacting companies. That's not true. Large IT outsourcing companies, yes. FAANG, no. H1B salaries are publicly available, so it is easy to prove it. > If talent was truly global, they wouldn't do this. Quite literally the opposite. Since talent is global, there simply are good engineers everywhere, and bringing them to the US market is an advantage.