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Read your comment again. You are faulting someone for defending thier own argument. You suggest that people who do not cow and apologize to the mob deserve th

Read your comment again. You are faulting someone for defending thier own argument. You suggest that people who do not cow and apologize to the mob deserve the anger and retribution the mob has to offer. People have a right to think differently and express themselves without threats, bullying, or shaming. The mob does not deserve apologies. The comment above is spot on - we've lost all sense of proportionality. It is an indication of the modern online mob sickness that they always demand others beg for forgiveness. What emotional void are mob participants trying to fill with the apologies of others?

411111111111111 6y ago
i cant fully agree. you obviously should be allowed to make a mistake and be forgiven for it. that does not mean that i personally would ever forgive any `company` that markets itself as pro-privacy after its been caught gathering data on its users. i could forgive the people working at the company and would definitely expect future employers not to hold that against them, however. but if a `company` does something while claiming to stand morally opposed to exactly that.... proves that it doesn't actually care about the topic. it just wants the publicity for marketability, discrediting them entirely for all future communication. in this particular case, i wouldn't go that far however. they weren't gathering any data on their users if i understood it correctly. it was just a badly implemented feature, which will get changed
- koheripbal 6y ago
  You seem to put great value on forgiveness. What is your forgiveness worth? What emotional chasm do you struggle with that you demand others to beg for your forgiveness? Why on Earth should anyone care if you forgive them. This is your emotional hangup - not a problem with DuckDuckGo.
  - 411111111111111 6y ago
    Not particularly. I was specifically responding about your outrage how internet 'mobs' demand forgiveness from the people they've supposedly wronged. The whole comment was just me talking from the perspective of a possible self identified victim and how that person (me) would respond in such a case. Forgiveness would've to happen for me to trust that party again, which would be a requirement for me becoming a user/paying for the service again. If that possible other party doesn't care about wherever the people they've supposedly wronged use/pay for their services, then there is obviously no need for any interaction after that point. And as I said before: none of this applied to ddg, as they didn't spy on their user. They implemented a leaky feature, which they've committed to changing.
chownie 6y ago
This is a really strange take. Once people have gone down the avenue of earnestly reporting private information leakage, the correct answer is to investigate. DDG decided not to do this and instead dismissed the problem completely out of hand and ignored it for almost a year without taking any action. No one asked for an apology, they asked DDG to admit fault and then to fix the problem. ie "we shouldn't have done that" not "we're sorry we did that." You keep saying "mob" but these people didn't collect to harass, if you actually read all of the comments the vast majority are people who are (rightly!) concerned about their data privacy advocate built software leaking every visited URL.
- jiofih 6y ago
  You’re absolutely ignoring the possibility of an argument where there is no fault and this is being blown out of proportion. You just assume your opinion is correct and they owe you to fix it. That is in itself the problem OP was exposing.
  - chownie 6y ago
    Great! Can you provide that argument or am I supposed to think it up myself?

411111111111111 6y ago

i cant fully agree. you obviously should be allowed to make a mistake and be forgiven for it. that does not mean that i personally would ever forgive any `company` that markets itself as pro-privacy after its been caught gathering data on its users. i could forgive the people working at the company and would definitely expect future employers not to hold that against them, however. but if a `company` does something while claiming to stand morally opposed to exactly that.... proves that it doesn't actually care about the topic. it just wants the publicity for marketability, discrediting them entirely for all future communication. in this particular case, i wouldn't go that far however. they weren't gathering any data on their users if i understood it correctly. it was just a badly implemented feature, which will get changed

koheripbal 6y ago
You seem to put great value on forgiveness. What is your forgiveness worth? What emotional chasm do you struggle with that you demand others to beg for your forgiveness? Why on Earth should anyone care if you forgive them. This is your emotional hangup - not a problem with DuckDuckGo.
- 411111111111111 6y ago
  Not particularly. I was specifically responding about your outrage how internet 'mobs' demand forgiveness from the people they've supposedly wronged. The whole comment was just me talking from the perspective of a possible self identified victim and how that person (me) would respond in such a case. Forgiveness would've to happen for me to trust that party again, which would be a requirement for me becoming a user/paying for the service again. If that possible other party doesn't care about wherever the people they've supposedly wronged use/pay for their services, then there is obviously no need for any interaction after that point. And as I said before: none of this applied to ddg, as they didn't spy on their user. They implemented a leaky feature, which they've committed to changing.

chownie 6y ago

This is a really strange take. Once people have gone down the avenue of earnestly reporting private information leakage, the correct answer is to investigate. DDG decided not to do this and instead dismissed the problem completely out of hand and ignored it for almost a year without taking any action. No one asked for an apology, they asked DDG to admit fault and then to fix the problem. ie "we shouldn't have done that" not "we're sorry we did that." You keep saying "mob" but these people didn't collect to harass, if you actually read all of the comments the vast majority are people who are (rightly!) concerned about their data privacy advocate built software leaking every visited URL.

jiofih 6y ago
You’re absolutely ignoring the possibility of an argument where there is no fault and this is being blown out of proportion. You just assume your opinion is correct and they owe you to fix it. That is in itself the problem OP was exposing.
- chownie 6y ago
  Great! Can you provide that argument or am I supposed to think it up myself?